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#61
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Hub-Turns and FAR Part 117
May 10, 2012
There is a popular misconception that FAR Part 117 rules for Flight and Duty times will destroy week on/week off flying. That’s just not true. Let’s consider the MEM A300 June 2012 Schedule:
1) FAR 117 allows up to 5 consecutive nights as long as the crews receive 2 hours in a suitable accommodation (sleep room or recliner room. Click here to view FAR 117).
2) That means a total hub-turn time of at least 3+30 (30 minute postflight+2 hour rest+1hour flight planning).
3) For the June 2012 MEM A300 schedule that equates to 82% of the sort facility hub-turns would meet the requirement for 5 consecutive nights.
4) The cities that did not are the likes of MEM-YYC, MEM-BUR, OAK-AFW and ORD-AFW, all of which are much higher block and some of which are only built for 3 consecutive nights now.
There will certainly be adjustments to some pairings as a result of the new regulation. For instance, GSO-BQN will be 3 nights and CDG-MAD will see a slight revision but both changes are needed improvements from a fatigue perspective. Weekend layovers will be able to fly into and out of the weekend, depending on the BLG target for the month.
All of the long West Coast flights, GEG, RNO, LAX will not be affected as there are 24 or more hour layovers involved which breaks the consecutive night cycle.
Fatigue Risk Management Systems (FRMS) provides the corporation with a way to receive an exemption to the new prescriptive rules, when we scientifically validate that the design is safe. Our Data Collection MOU lays out the framework for the data collection required to support exemption requests. We expect a cooperative effort as it is in everyone’s best interest.
The new FAR Part 117 rules for Flight and Duty Times set a much higher bar than the current FAR Part 121 rules where fatigue is concerned. It raises the floor under our current CBA and would level the playing field with our competitors, forcing them to rules much closer to our CBA.
FAR 117 represents a science based improvement in flight and duty times. Cargo should have been included in the first place, that didn’t happen, so the time is now for cargo to be included. It is a step forward for aviation safety and for “one size does not fit all.” Pilots are physiologically not different based on what is behind the cockpit door – people or freight.
Hub-Turns and FAR Part 117
May 10, 2012
There is a popular misconception that FAR Part 117 rules for Flight and Duty times will destroy week on/week off flying. That’s just not true. Let’s consider the MEM A300 June 2012 Schedule:
1) FAR 117 allows up to 5 consecutive nights as long as the crews receive 2 hours in a suitable accommodation (sleep room or recliner room. Click here to view FAR 117).
2) That means a total hub-turn time of at least 3+30 (30 minute postflight+2 hour rest+1hour flight planning).
3) For the June 2012 MEM A300 schedule that equates to 82% of the sort facility hub-turns would meet the requirement for 5 consecutive nights.
4) The cities that did not are the likes of MEM-YYC, MEM-BUR, OAK-AFW and ORD-AFW, all of which are much higher block and some of which are only built for 3 consecutive nights now.
There will certainly be adjustments to some pairings as a result of the new regulation. For instance, GSO-BQN will be 3 nights and CDG-MAD will see a slight revision but both changes are needed improvements from a fatigue perspective. Weekend layovers will be able to fly into and out of the weekend, depending on the BLG target for the month.
All of the long West Coast flights, GEG, RNO, LAX will not be affected as there are 24 or more hour layovers involved which breaks the consecutive night cycle.
Fatigue Risk Management Systems (FRMS) provides the corporation with a way to receive an exemption to the new prescriptive rules, when we scientifically validate that the design is safe. Our Data Collection MOU lays out the framework for the data collection required to support exemption requests. We expect a cooperative effort as it is in everyone’s best interest.
The new FAR Part 117 rules for Flight and Duty Times set a much higher bar than the current FAR Part 121 rules where fatigue is concerned. It raises the floor under our current CBA and would level the playing field with our competitors, forcing them to rules much closer to our CBA.
FAR 117 represents a science based improvement in flight and duty times. Cargo should have been included in the first place, that didn’t happen, so the time is now for cargo to be included. It is a step forward for aviation safety and for “one size does not fit all.” Pilots are physiologically not different based on what is behind the cockpit door – people or freight.
#62
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There are two problems with saying that our, FedEx, contract nearly meets the new rest rules.
First, believe it or not, we aren't the only cargo airline out there. All the others with lesser contracts got screwed with this.
Secondly, contracts come and go; the advantage of being covered with these rules is that they aren't contractual, they don't have to be negotiated, nor do you give up anything for them.
Furthermore, they can't be taken away during a concessionary contract. (I know all the UPS/FedEx guys say it can't happen to them, but it CAN happen, and I'll refer back to my first point, we aren't the only cargo airlines out there.)
First, believe it or not, we aren't the only cargo airline out there. All the others with lesser contracts got screwed with this.
Secondly, contracts come and go; the advantage of being covered with these rules is that they aren't contractual, they don't have to be negotiated, nor do you give up anything for them.
Furthermore, they can't be taken away during a concessionary contract. (I know all the UPS/FedEx guys say it can't happen to them, but it CAN happen, and I'll refer back to my first point, we aren't the only cargo airlines out there.)
Why should anybody be required to work an overnight 16 hour duty day? Or six 16 hour days in a row for supplemental operations? Or unlimited duty, 12 flight hours between rest, international duty days? Obviously, within an airline, contractual issues can be addressed contractually. But the new rules should limit the worst allowable scenario. And they don't.
#63
Yikes!
Bump ...
It looks like maybe Air Traffic Controllers didn't get the benefits of FAA Part 117?
On-duty air traffic controller found intoxicated at Arkansas airport | Road Warrior Voices
It looks like maybe Air Traffic Controllers didn't get the benefits of FAA Part 117?
On-duty air traffic controller found intoxicated at Arkansas airport | Road Warrior Voices
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