Cargo Cut-out
12-29-2011, 07:06 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by OKLATEX
First, believe it or not, we aren't the only cargo airline out there. All the others with lesser contracts got screwed with this.
This is a very big deal. Besides the unethical thinking that cargo carriers can fly to government admitted unsafe FAR limits, it hurts every cargo pilot group.
Cargo carriers that fly more safely do so at a higher cost and may, one day, not be competitive.
12-29-2011, 08:09 AM
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12-29-2011, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxKts
I've read most of it (granted at a very fast pace and did not get all the details). This is what I can tell you - with the exception of the extension to 16 hours during an "Operational Emergency" the new rules look a lot like our current contract! And, the 3 on 3 off is not a player if you have the opportunity to get 2 hours rest between duty periods - so it would not change our week of hub turning.
Standard disclaimer - I am not a lawyer or expert on interpreting the FAR's but I have slept at a Holiday Inn before
Standard disclaimer - I am not a lawyer or expert on interpreting the FAR's but I have slept at a Holiday Inn before
from block in to block out on the night hub turns. I think it would be hard to make that work.
12-29-2011, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
jokes aside...
This is a very big deal. Besides the unethical thinking that cargo carriers can fly to government admitted unsafe FAR limits, it hurts every cargo pilot group.
Cargo carriers that fly more safely do so at a higher cost and may, one day, not be competitive.
This is a very big deal. Besides the unethical thinking that cargo carriers can fly to government admitted unsafe FAR limits, it hurts every cargo pilot group.
Cargo carriers that fly more safely do so at a higher cost and may, one day, not be competitive.
12-29-2011, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PastV1
How do you get 2 hrs between duty periods? Not many city pairs have 3+30
from block in to block out on the night hub turns. I think it would be hard to make that work.
from block in to block out on the night hub turns. I think it would be hard to make that work.
Most hub turn times are done to shorten the amount of time the outlying stations are manned. I think it would only take minor schedule adjustments to make the 3+30 for all hub turns.
Or, we could could just work 3 nights and then get a day off and work 3 more - NOT
12-29-2011, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxKts
I guess I'm flying the wrong trips - most of mine do
Most hub turn times are done to shorten the amount of time the outlying stations are manned. I think it would only take minor schedule adjustments to make the 3+30 for all hub turns.
Or, we could could just work 3 nights and then get a day off and work 3 more - NOT
Most hub turn times are done to shorten the amount of time the outlying stations are manned. I think it would only take minor schedule adjustments to make the 3+30 for all hub turns.
Or, we could could just work 3 nights and then get a day off and work 3 more - NOT
NOT in favor of 3 nights on and a night off!!
12-30-2011, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
jokes aside...
This is a very big deal. Besides the unethical thinking that cargo carriers can fly to government admitted unsafe FAR limits, it hurts every cargo pilot group.
Cargo carriers that fly more safely do so at a higher cost and may, one day, not be competitive.
This is a very big deal. Besides the unethical thinking that cargo carriers can fly to government admitted unsafe FAR limits, it hurts every cargo pilot group.
Cargo carriers that fly more safely do so at a higher cost and may, one day, not be competitive.
12-30-2011, 11:52 AM
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Just saw that the FAA estimates the carve out would cost freight carriers $200 millon over the next 10 yrs. $20 million per year across the entire industry.
FedEx and UPS net profits in the last year? $5.0 billion.
$20M/$5B = 0.4%
FedEx and UPS net profits in the last year? $5.0 billion.
$20M/$5B = 0.4%
04-24-2012, 01:36 PM
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