Ouch.. Fired AND still has to pay back the company.

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What is very easy to see is that we have at least three pilots who truly do not understand how the law works at all, what evidence is considered or not considered, and that facts are considered or not considered. There is a reason that some people who might appear guilty go free, but, more importantly and concerning, there are also many people who are innocent who get found guilty.

Then you must say there are some lawyers out there too that don't understand either, unless they advised their clients to take a deal and the pilots refused.

For those thinking about bidding, it's at least nice to know the new standard set up by the findings. I'm not sure how the arbitrators new residency standard will be received but at least you can now know how the company will enforce the standard.

" A quid pro quo for the allowance was a relatively local presence for he and his family".

FDA bidders can now debate amongst themselves what relatively local presence means, but that will be the standard.

Seriously....sounds like horrible Counsel to me.

That is why you pay attorneys. They are supposed to provide you with unemotional guidance with regard to legal issues.

Opps...sorry wrong about that one. Apologize about your job and your future. oh by the way.....that last arbitration meeting was 2 hours long....that will be another $800. Have a nice day.

It seemed to me that the union advised the pilots to take the deal, and were lambasted by many on here for not "supporting the pilots." Maybe they were supporting them the best they could by trying to get them to avoid arbitration.

Wow! Talk about a product of the modern media age. We have this concept in America called “Innocent until proven guilty.” An arbitration is not a court room. The rules of evidence are not the same. We have not heard the pilots’ side of the story. Your analogies to a general concept of stealing is intellectual dishonesty, as it suggests that these untried cases prove that your brethren were in fact stealing.

And we wonder about the lack of unity in this pilot group? Good grief! Turn off the boob tube and start to use the brain between your ears. This was an arbitration, which is almost NEVER in favor of the small guy.

Good lesson here, gents: Never submit to mandatory arbitration! Our founding fathers died for your right to have your day in court and to be judged by a jury of your peers. Never give that up. Ever!

And in civil cases where your career is on the line, seek professional council and a jury trial if possible. I suspect these pilots will counter sue for wrongful termination. They at least deserve to have their day in court.

I am sure they may try but it is a rather large mountain to climb as they have now been terminated with cause and upheld by a third party, and that is one of our hard fought rights which is not being "at will" employees. We are covered by our CBA and the discipline process is set in stone and short of settling your only route is arbitration. BTW arbitration over individuals and specific discipline issues have a much better win percentage than admin contract cases and not talking about just at FDX.

So why did they go to arbitration rather than mediation since according to you the small guy almost never wins?