I'd up-vote FLMD11CAPT's comment but cannot.....because this website doesn't allow up-votes/down-votes!

 

Exactly! Obviously the LOA was good enough for people to bid HKG or their wouldn't be anyone there.

I will say it was quite surprising that the residency issue has been such a cluster. I don't think anyone saw that coming. It was clear that Fedex expected your family to move there if you decided to take the extra money. That said, it seems like those involved in arbitration all had issues that were unique and should have been handled differently.

There are rumors of a bid coming out in a month or so (crew bus rumor). If we want the FDA issues fixed, it would be a great time to bid back to the states...

 

We've reached the end of all the training letters, except 757....

 

No need to wait for a bid. Once you have served your time, you can come back to any seat that has someone junior to you in it. One of those non-gains we got in the bridge contract. But hey, voting no on the 767 LOA is where the leverage lies. I know you were agreeing golf, I just wanted to point out there are other ways to leave an FDA than waiting for a vacancy bid.

 

No flames, just some thoughts, perspective and focus.

All crew positions are effected by the shortcomings and loopholes in our CBA. Junior on some seats and aircraft means you deal with reserve manning issues. Too many to name. Lived through it. Line holders deal with sub, accepted fairs, revision games. Lived through it. 4a2b...everyone, except those special exceptions, FDAs, 777...but that is at the company's discretion...we all lived through it except those special senior people on special planes.(again company's discretion)

I bid HK carefully as I wanted some stability, despite the shortcomings of the current agreements. You bid your seats despite the shortcomings...bidding is personal ORM in some ways.

That doesn't mean we should forget about where we came from...I still want that other stuff fixed and see the CBA as the path that is best vehicle to fixing more things, not just those things the company decides they will talk about this week.

I would love to see the FDAs fixed...but I see them as 5 or so in the big scheme of things.(hate to burst your bubble, it ain't about me)

(I also stated there are things in the LOA on the 76 that I do like, but at the point of digressing, CBA first)

 

I assume you're referring to Section N., "FDA Exit in Lieu of Normal System Bid Award". It's not simply a matter of serving your time and then going to any seat you can hold. "Serving your time" under the "Enhanced Option" (Section C.2.) means 2 (two) years. The FDA Exit option process begins with a letter from the pilot to his Chief Pilot 6 (six) months prior to his requested exit date (when he will start ITU training or base transfer). That date must be at least 12 (twelve) months after the completion of the pilot's commitment period.

The Company does not have to honor the requested exit date.

IF The Company decides it wants to backfill the slot, it can post a vacancy bid (within 30 (thirty) days of the FDA pilot's notice). If the vacancy is filled, or The Company decides they don't need to fill it, The Company has to give the FDA pilot an exit date within 75 (seventy-five) days of his requested exit date.

IF the vacancy is not filled, and The Company decides they need to fill it, they can post another vacancy bid within 30 (thirty) days of the close of the first posting. If the second vacancy posting is not filled, The Company must provide the pilot with an exit date no later than 180 (one hundred and eighty) days beyond the preferred exit date.

So, the entire process of Exit in Lieu of Normal System Bid Award -- from "notify Chief Pilot" to Exit Date -- takes at least six months, and can take up to one year. The extra time in FDA -- from commitment period complete until Exit Date -- is at least one year, and can be as much as a year and a half.


To add insult to injury, if you choose to exercise this provision on Monday, and The Company posts a Vacancy Bid on Tuesday, the FDA pilot is restricted from participating in that Vacancy Posting.

So, "serving your time" means 2 years. "Exit in Lieu of" means 3 to 3 1/2 years.


I agree -- it's a non-gain.






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[QUOTE=TonyC;1387145]I assume you're referring to Section N., "FDA Exit in Lieu of Normal System Bid Award". It's not simply a matter of serving your time and then going to any seat you can hold. "Serving your time" under the "Enhanced Option" (Section C.2.) means 2 (two) years. The FDA Exit option process begins with a letter from the pilot to his Chief Pilot 6 (six) months prior to his requested exit date (when he will start ITU training or base transfer). That date must be at least 12 (twelve) months after the completion of the pilot's commitment period.

The Company does not have to honor the requested exit date...

C'mon Tony, don't confuse people with that contract stuff again!

How's Mempho treating you?

 

Of course if you are so junior that you can't bid out on the vacancy bids, or missed bidding out on a large bid and the next foreseeable bid is more than a year out, then you might exercise this option. Even when you bid out, there is no guarantee that your training date won't be 18 months down the road, depends on the size of the bid. So serving your time probably means more than 2 years. This is a gain in my opinion.

I'm sure you detected the sarcasm in my non-gain comment.

My guess is that you would be against anything that the current MEC put out.

It's funny though, now that you have been voted out as a block rep, you actually respond to my questions and comments, something you never did when you were a rep.

 

He always answered my questions with a phone call, which was greatly appreciated. I truly miss his representation. He is the most engaged of the four reps that I have dealt with.

 

This I-40/I-240 commute is killing me!

I hope they finish this construction project before I retire, or at least before they begin the next one.






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