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Hawk 285 05-07-2012 03:17 AM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 1183251)
While I'm certainly not happy with the turn of events in HKG, I'm not ready to take everything in your post as gospel.

Since Fedex doesn't operate -400s, would you care to let us know how a non-Fedex pilot has such intimate knowledge of the situation in his first post to this forum?

Excellent question. . . .

FoxHunter 05-07-2012 03:59 AM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 1183251)
While I'm certainly not happy with the turn of events in HKG, I'm not ready to take everything in your post as gospel.

Since Fedex doesn't operate -400s, would you care to let us know how a non-Fedex pilot has such intimate knowledge of the situation in his first post to this forum?

What makes you think he is not FedEx pilot?;)

Hawk 285 05-07-2012 04:29 AM


Originally Posted by FoxHunter (Post 1183264)
What makes you think he is not FedEx pilot?;)

Excellent question. . . . . .

bear2duby 05-07-2012 04:36 AM

I don't know who Eighteen Wheeler is, but I am a FedEx HKG based pilot and his/her assessment is spot on.

FreightDawgyDog 05-07-2012 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by Dahlysia (Post 1183232)
ShyGuy,

The answer is as simple as complicated. The fired pilots believed that they were following the rules the way ALPA interpreted and they thought they were ok. The company has decided that their interpretations of the rules(LOA) is different from ALPA's interpretation. The HGK pilots asked for a clarification of the rules from ALPA and the company and none has been given so far. The company decided to terminate the pilots because they have not followed their rules. The problem is.... no one knows what the rules are.

There you go....

Reminds me of Larry David..

"Not everybody knows your rules Larry!"

Watch "Larry's Laws: The World According to Larry David" Video at New York Magazine

Adlerdriver 05-07-2012 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by FoxHunter (Post 1183264)
What makes you think he is not FedEx pilot?;)

:confused: The 747-400 position listed in his profile?

Or, I guess he could be providing an elaborate :rolleyes: disguise to throw off the company APC spies. Clever.
All they know now is that he might be a trucker who is also trained in the ways of the -400. Good thing he didn't put MD-11 or A300 in the profile, they'd have IDed him after his first post.


Originally Posted by bear2duby (Post 1183275)
I don't know who Eighteen Wheeler is, but I am a FedEx HKG based pilot and his/her assessment is spot on.

I'm not doubting his info, unfortunately. My confidence in our union's ability to enforce our contract and LOAs is shaken regularly.

So you verify that:

ALPA "allowed" the company to pursue punitive actions prior to the 18 month deadline specified in the LOA?

A pilot was fired even after contacting his CP, verifying what he was doing was not in violation and saving the emails detailing such an exchange?

Pilots were investigated and terminated without being initially notified and offered the option to use the amnesty program?

Alaskan 05-07-2012 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 1183251)
While I'm certainly not happy with the turn of events in HKG, I'm not ready to take everything in your post as gospel.

Since Fedex doesn't operate -400s, would you care to let us know how a non-Fedex pilot has such intimate knowledge of the situation in his first post to this forum?

Skepticism is great, Adlerdriver. Would that all FDX pilots had this attitude, but many remain purple punch drunk. But you can take it from another poster with close knowledge of HKG events: EighteenWheeler knows what he's talking about here. His post is 100% true based on my own personal knowledge. More details of these cases will become public when the AK State Commission on Human Rights finishes its investigation phase and starts prosecting FDX (3 initial complaints plus, I think, 3 more complaints of retaliation filed so far), and when these four termination cases proceed to arbitration.

Keep in mind that so far none of the fired pilots has had his/her day in court/arbitration, with an opportunity to confront witnesses or even to submit their own testimony. Meanwhile FDX continues to refuse to release information that would show just how arbitrary and inconsistent its prosecution of the fired pilots has been. The ASCHR has subpoena powers, so FDX's attempts to obstruct justice won't last forever. BS's return to the line is a good indication that the company knows how vulnerable its own managers have made it in this case -- no doubt that's among the reasons the company has hired outside counsel to represent it in AK.

Nightflyer 05-07-2012 04:38 PM

Alaskan, I think many of us on this board would appreciate it if you kept us up to date on any significant findings or actions regarding this situation.

Thanks!

CriticalMach 05-07-2012 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by Hawk 285 (Post 1183272)
Excellent question. . . . . .



Excellent question ;)

frozenboxhauler 05-07-2012 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 1183251)
While I'm certainly not happy with the turn of events in HKG, I'm not ready to take everything in your post as gospel.

Since Fedex doesn't operate -400s, would you care to let us know how a non-Fedex pilot has such intimate knowledge of the situation in his first post to this forum?

Think about it, ever thought he might be married to one? He might also be a hunter.
fbh


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