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Baja 05-09-2012 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by FLMD11CAPT (Post 1184898)
All the former "Top 100 Companies to work for" accolades will be wiped out, and many other torrid situations and dealings will come to public light. And maybe.....just maybe, Draconian Mgrs will be held accountable for what they have wrought. JMHO

Really? You really think this will happen? I don't reference what you wish would happen but what will (or won't) really happen. I'm not holding my breath.

FLMD11CAPT 05-09-2012 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by Baja (Post 1184925)
Really? You really think this will happen? I don't reference what you wish would happen but what will (or won't) really happen. I'm not holding my breath.

I think this is the sort of thing that once it gets out, has the potential to go highly viral. It is what people are interested in......Big Bad Corporation running roughshod over employees while maintaining a totally different public face..........people eat that stuff up.

AerisArmis 05-09-2012 08:08 PM


Originally Posted by gderek (Post 1184452)
A specialized labor law firm is what is needed and has been needed for a long time.

As opposed to specialized labor lawyers working for a labor union?

iarapilot 05-10-2012 12:18 AM


Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 1184548)
Can you explain what he signed off on? I am confused.


The Company designed the amnesty program that was offered to the accused. The Union had to agree to the amnesty program and what was in it. CB was the union rep who signed off on the language of the amnesty program, and the program itself. By doing this, credibility was given to the whole idea that the pilots were guilty and were being offered a last chance to save their jobs.

Instead, our Union should have said no way to any deal, and should have insisted on clarification as to what parts of the FDA LOA were not followed. Then that info could have been put out to all of us so we could know exactly what was expected as far as receiving the housing allowance was concerned.

Throughout the whole FDA LOA lifespan, the Union has been totally reactive in their approach to the creation, implementation, and problems associated with the agreement. The Company seems to have been behind the wheel since the beginning, with us just being passengers.

dckozak 05-10-2012 01:02 AM


Originally Posted by iarapilot (Post 1185382)
The Company designed the amnesty program that was offered to the accused. The Union had to agree to the amnesty program and what was in it. CB was the union rep who signed off on the language of the amnesty program, and the program itself. By doing this, credibility was given to the whole idea that the pilots were guilty and were being offered a last chance to save their jobs.

The problem with your ascertain is to assume that all pilots were (are) equally "guilty" (or not) of the same infractions. In all likelihood, some pilots were, indeed, "gaming the system", as some have speculated, while others, and the union, feel they have not committed fraud and the companies interpretation of the LOA is flawed. The amnesty program gives those pilots who may have weaker arguments with the company a fig leaf to recover their jobs. The others (hopefully) have a strong enough case to convince an arbitrator of their innocence.

4A2B 05-10-2012 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by iarapilot (Post 1185382)
The Company designed the amnesty program that was offered to the accused. The Union had to agree to the amnesty program and what was in it. CB was the union rep who signed off on the language of the amnesty program, and the program itself. By doing this, credibility was given to the whole idea that the pilots were guilty and were being offered a last chance to save their jobs.

Instead, our Union should have said no way to any deal, and should have insisted on clarification as to what parts of the FDA LOA were not followed. Then that info could have been put out to all of us so we could know exactly what was expected as far as receiving the housing allowance was concerned.

Throughout the whole FDA LOA lifespan, the Union has been totally reactive in their approach to the creation, implementation, and problems associated with the agreement. The Company seems to have been behind the wheel since the beginning, with us just being passengers.

You are correct that he signed the settlement, like almost all Grievance ones. He is just doing his job and in this case you can be sure the MEC Officers and the entire MEC had to approve this "program" he did not act alone in this matter. Go read the minutes and communications from the HKG LEC or call and ask, but to blame CB for doing anything other than trying to provide every avenue to save jobs is wrong. Guys like CB should be thanked, not thrown out with the bath water.

Whistlin' Dan 05-10-2012 02:26 PM

Not my fight, and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with your contract administrator, BUT...

I hope your guys have their own lawyers.

iarapilot 05-10-2012 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by dckozak (Post 1185387)
The problem with your ascertain is to assume that all pilots were (are) equally "guilty" (or not) of the same infractions. In all likelihood, some pilots were, indeed, "gaming the system", as some have speculated, while others, and the union, feel they have not committed fraud and the companies interpretation of the LOA is flawed. The amnesty program gives those pilots who may have weaker arguments with the company a fig leaf to recover their jobs. The others (hopefully) have a strong enough case to convince an arbitrator of their innocence.


You make a good point, which I did not consider.

ConnerP 05-11-2012 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by dckozak (Post 1185387)
The problem with your ascertain is to assume that all pilots were (are) equally "guilty" (or not) of the same infractions. In all likelihood, some pilots were, indeed, "gaming the system", as some have speculated, while others, and the union, feel they have not committed fraud and the companies interpretation of the LOA is flawed. The amnesty program gives those pilots who may have weaker arguments with the company a fig leaf to recover their jobs. The others (hopefully) have a strong enough case to convince an arbitrator of their innocence.

I agree with your statement above. Whether intended or not, I think you also summed up the problem at FDX in your last sentence.

Paraphrasing-- They have to prove their innocence to an arbitrator.

Guilt is what should have to be proven. FDX saying "guilty because we say so" should not be the standard.

$.02

RedeyeAV8r 05-11-2012 06:31 AM

Thread Drift
 
Can we get back to the May Class being Cancelled? :)


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