Gunter

You're looking at this from the wrong side of the coin. You should work on a better reason why you HAVE THE RIGHT to see another's schedule. Really. It's a privacy issue and guys like you are proving the point that maybe we should all block our calenders. What legitimate reason do you NEED to see someone else's schedule? So far all I'm getting is you are very nosy and maybe a little creepy.

What other airline allows crewmembers to analyze another's schedule preference? Can you see a Delta or United pilots schedule if you are fellow crewmember?

When I was at a pax airline flight attendants would bug me for getting CA or FO phone numbers. They had no access to it but I did.

Busboy

That's a very sad tale. When I was at a pax airline, the flight attendants would bug me for MY phone number.

Gunter

Those who date/marry a pilot often end up with another one. Then they get access. Some work very hard at getting access thru friends.

I get both your points but do not approve. You understand the history and utility of our first come first serve open time but are strongly against it because someone else is getting YOUR trips. Got it.

If you wanted a different system you should have went to another airline. I too wish I could fly trips great trips I see others flying. But then my envy ends because I know I can do it too. You just don't want to spend time looking at open time and have come up with a half baked excuse to roast others that do. Please spare us all the "friends in scheduling" whining. Are we all 10 years old here? Jimmy's got my juice box! If you feel strongly about that file a grievance and move on. Quit whining.

No, I am not calender blocker. I'm always hoping someone will offer to PDO bump me from my ATL-IND-MIA trips. But if I happen to score a couple of HSBY's and get the spanish inquisition from these guys I just might start.


The real reason for blocking that is not offered to questioners because they would like to create a good CRM environment:

Harassment from Calender Trolls.

Baja

Well said.

I don't block.We seem to have a problem differentiating between a right and a privilege. While I won't call looking a calendar a privilege I most certainly do not see it as a right. Very few things in life are a right.

TonyC

Recently, a pilot whose calendar looked like one continuous blue line went from

Allow other pilots to view your calendar? Yes

to

Allow other pilots to view your calendar? No


I guess he got tired of answering questions about what he was thinking.


Is he now hiding embarassing behavior? I don't know. Maybe he's just saving time by avoiding conversations with his concerned peers. He's too busy flying trips to talk about it? I'm wondering when he'll keel over from fatigue. I know I could not personally work every single day of a 5-week bid month, plus a week of carryover into the next month. Yes, I said every single day.


He's "blocking" his calendar, but that doesn't keep people from knowing what he's doing? No. All that selection does is control access to that one screen in VIPS. If an ex-wife wants to know, blocking that screen won't stop her.


Back to the original question: Any good reasons?

In my mind, it serves a useful purpose -- it helps me identify who's really on our team, those we could consider loyal, those whom we can trust. That gets a little tricky, and you can't just look at the Non-Members list for a simple answer. There are scabs who are Members, and there are Non-Members who would likely be staunch supporters of legal withholding of services. Actions speak louder than words or labels, and when people start trying to hide what they're doing, their actions speak volumes.






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Pakagecheck

LJ, I'm with Subic and Mike on this one. While I understand the privilege to view another's schedule, why the big deal on viewing it? All I see is a work schedule, not even jumpseats. As far as inappropriate activity, how about trip trading while one is airborne. Yes, this has happened and the crew member did not display his calendar.

I do what Mike says also. I check the schedule of who I am flying with to see if they've done what we're about to do in a while or if they've been off for 2 months or on extended mil leave or who might be tired, or done nothing but rfo trips for 3 months and then is begging the f/o for the landing. I'm not sure how that is wanting something from the person, that's just me getting educated or prepared. If JSing to work, I'll check the guy's schedule who's operating to see if it helps him out, if im going that way, why not. If he blocks his schedule, I dont even ask.

I ask every person that's schedule I can't view I fly with why. I truely would like to know in case there is a reason I have missed to have me change my mind and not to dispaly mine. I take them to dinner(and buy) and ask " can I ask a personal question" and after asking, say if you want, we can talk about something else. I have yet to have someone not respond. It is humorous to watch the body language change to include the defensive posture and tone of voice. It's like watching my 12 yr old with chocolate on his face, try and sell the "dad, it wasnt me" story. Of the many, I had two, who without any change in their demeanor, happily share their reasons and they both made sense for the given scenario.

Ultimately, I get it isn't required, but IMHO, why withhold?

TonyC

You have the right to see my schedule because we're on the same team. In order for us to trust each other, I owe you at least that much. I don't hide things from my wife if I want her to trust me, and I can't think of a good reason to hide my schedule from you.


Transparency is conducive to building trust and teamwork and unity.

Secrecy is antithetical to trust, teamwork, and unity.





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RedeyeAV8r

+1

I remember in 1995 (Late November time frame) it was Customary, when meeting at the Folder, for the crews to show each other a print out of their Trip Pairing along with their Calendar. The pairing showed the Pay Code in which the trip was being flown and the calendar showed how many days worked.

It was interesting, to say the least, when one of the crew didn't have or wouldn't show the print outs. "TBV"

MEMFO4Ever

While we beg for transparency from the company, we do not demand it of our own class and craft. At another union job I had it would be unthinkable for the other members not to be able to see your schedule. In a collectively bargained environment, everyone should have constant access to everyone's schedule to ensure no one person is getting any special treatment (which we all know occurs). Trust but verify (you GOPers should love that).

Found out your ex-wife has your schedule? Complain to management and have IT find out who was looking at or printing your schedule.

It may not be a "right" to view someone else's calendar, but it should be.

I am sure many will disagree, but there is no compelling reason you should not see every seniority holding pilot's schedule. Like other trade unionist practices deemed too blue collar, it will never happen here and we will forever remain an 'association.'

Gunter

This is something I support. Tony, you have somewhat of a point too. You owe some trust to those you fly with. But I don't believe all the adjectives you're using are applicable here.

The problem is some have become obsessed when they don't get a trip they see in open time and shadow those they believe have friends on the inside.

Unhealthy shadowing is hard for obsessive people to give up. For example: I don't believe crewmembers should trade while airborne either and management is investigating it. As good as they are at data mining the reasonable person would assume it's being taken care of. But they don't believe it has been done. I believe crewmembers have stopped giving out their log-in credentials. Thus I don't hate the blockers facing those allegations. Short of a restraining order blocking is all they can do because the shadowers are still acting up.

I spent some time questioning, in my own mind, how reasonable crewmembers could block without looking like our one ways. You know, the other blocker group that flies disputed pairings, draft during negotiations and excessive carryover without dropping during 4a2b. But calendar blocking doesn't define their habitual behavior, it is only a symptom.

So no I don't assume a blocker is doing all those things. Those that do are taking too many intellectual shortcuts. I know it's human nature but it defines you as someone who assumes things and stereotypes.

But some enjoy watching crewmembers squirm as they ask about their calendar over dinner. Maybe they hope to run across blockers for their entertainment at what should be a relaxing occasion. This behavior begins to define a person.