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11-12-2012, 05:57 AM
#131
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This is a fundamental problem that divides the really well off from the rest (and for some reason a lot of apologist who don't even qualify as true 1%ers)
They feel entitled to keeping an ever increasing precent of their income because they are rich. This is a fairness issue, make no mistake about it. The books need to be balanced but everyone; poor, middle class, working Joes, union members, and....THE RICH must pony up.
11-12-2012, 06:31 AM
#132
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I don't think you can really punish anyone who has made close to 20 million a year. I would't mind finding out for myself.
This is a fundamental problem that divides the really well off from the rest (and for some reason a lot of apologist who don't even qualify as true 1%ers)
They feel entitled to keeping an ever increasing precent of their income because they are rich. This is a fairness issue, make no mistake about it. The books need to be balanced but everyone; poor, middle class, working Joes, union members, and....THE RICH must pony up.
This is a fundamental problem that divides the really well off from the rest (and for some reason a lot of apologist who don't even qualify as true 1%ers)
They feel entitled to keeping an ever increasing precent of their income because they are rich. This is a fairness issue, make no mistake about it. The books need to be balanced but everyone; poor, middle class, working Joes, union members, and....THE RICH must pony up.
do you think you are rich as most do?
11-12-2012, 06:39 AM
#133
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If your question is, "do I think I should pay more taxes than a guy making 70k, hell yea, and I should pay a greater percentage than the 70k.
I live better, have a bigger house, take nicer vacation, and have a prettier wife
than the 70K guy, I should pay more. And The Mitt Ronmney's of the world make me look dirt poor by comparison. They definitely should pay (percentage wise) more.ADD. My kids have more teeth
11-12-2012, 06:59 AM
#134
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Don, you ignorant sluth. It's simple, we need to lower taxes on the "job creators". That is a large part of what is wrong with our economic trend.
This graph shows it in detail:
This graph shows it in detail:
11-12-2012, 07:00 AM
#135
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You must be in the top 10%
The data indicates those in the bottom 90%, in the US, do not pay their fair share of the total collected. All other industrialized countries have their bottom 90% contributing a higher percentage of the total. If we have a tax increase, taxes on the bottom 90% should increase the same percentage as for the top 10%. Further analysis reveals it's not possible to raise taxes enough on such a small group as the top .5 or 1% to cover our shortfalls. A broader based approach is the only way. Deep spending cuts are the only alternative.
You might agree with that but the President and Harry Reid do not. Now is the time to write them and express your preference.
That is my point.
The data indicates those in the bottom 90%, in the US, do not pay their fair share of the total collected. All other industrialized countries have their bottom 90% contributing a higher percentage of the total. If we have a tax increase, taxes on the bottom 90% should increase the same percentage as for the top 10%. Further analysis reveals it's not possible to raise taxes enough on such a small group as the top .5 or 1% to cover our shortfalls. A broader based approach is the only way. Deep spending cuts are the only alternative.
You might agree with that but the President and Harry Reid do not. Now is the time to write them and express your preference.
That is my point.
The poor should pay more taxes? Ok, to a point I agree. Like we've said, fair share and all of that. I love how as soon as it's brought up that the rich are able to defer, shelter, eliminate taxes through various methods to a point where it's SIGNIFICANTLY below what the middle class pays, it's immediately brought up that the POOR AREN'T PAYING THEIR TAXES! This just blows my mind. Not because there's no truth, not because there shouldn't be some reforms, but because it's classic deflection and avoidance of the issue. Remember I started this tirade with "you just don't get it" (as a general comment, not necessarily directed at any one person)?? That's it. The issue started as one thing, but rather than address it, people would rather talk about the poor, the lowest revenue source. Ok, whatever. And then the further claim is that it's not possible to raise taxes on the top 1 or .5 percent to cover our shortfalls? Um, ok. Who has ever proposed that? Again, classic deflection. In any case, anything that moves us more towards a balanced budget is what I'm in favor of, and cutting 3 bucks of spending for $1 of tax increase in a way that makes the tax system more fair in the first place seems like a good place to start. Is it a solution to end world hunger in Africa? No, it's not going to automatically solve the world's and our problems, but it's at least taking a step in the right direction, rather than being frozen out of fear or prejudice. The right maybe could have even addressed this by specifying what loopholes would be eliminated, how that money would add up, how much money would be cut from other programs, and how the numbers worked, but it never got that specific and the bigger problem was that it didn't add up, as it required increased revenue from a better economy based on optimistic projections, which is something we want, but not necessarily something that would happen.
11-12-2012, 07:08 AM
#136
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I'm confused ... this conversation has gone from "APLA pin" to the "J" word to "the 1%"???? 
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11-12-2012, 07:50 AM
#137
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I <3 money.
11-12-2012, 08:04 AM
#138
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11-12-2012, 08:20 AM
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But look at the numbers included in your chart. Most of the downfall chart on your top 0000000.000000000001% is probably accounted for by the death tax. Take SS and medicare out of there and you can move the 0 line up to about the 20% line. And of course skew all those wealthy thieves lines to almost level. The chart looks about right to me, but hey if you want to take it from buffet, gates, Oprah and all those others who made theirs and want to keep everyone else from getting what they got go for it.
11-12-2012, 08:26 AM
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I don't think you can really punish anyone who has made close to 20 million a year. I would't mind finding out for myself.
This is a fundamental problem that divides the really well off from the rest (and for some reason a lot of apologist who don't even qualify as true 1%ers)
They feel entitled to keeping an ever increasing precent of their income because they are rich. This is a fairness issue, make no mistake about it. The books need to be balanced but everyone; poor, middle class, working Joes, union members, and....THE RICH must pony up.
This is a fundamental problem that divides the really well off from the rest (and for some reason a lot of apologist who don't even qualify as true 1%ers)
They feel entitled to keeping an ever increasing precent of their income because they are rich. This is a fairness issue, make no mistake about it. The books need to be balanced but everyone; poor, middle class, working Joes, union members, and....THE RICH must pony up.
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