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HalinTexas 11-27-2012 12:06 AM

Train like you fly, fly like you train. Otherwise, what's the point of training?

(<--- Not without sin.)

AFW_MD11 11-27-2012 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by HalinTexas (Post 1299640)
Train like you fly, fly like you train. Otherwise, what's the point of training?

(<--- Not without sin.)

Totally agree - and in addition to that, I agree with av8rmike - this approach was unsafe.

(from what we see in this video & not having the cockpit tapes and/or FDR to go with it - as I stated earlier - "anything is possible")

The end (outcome = didn't crash or land gear up) doesn't justify the means.

P.S. whether this approach was filmed before the FOM-directed "stabilized approach" criteria being implemented or not does not make it any more or less safe. Legality is a different question all-together. Definitely unsafe.

Great discussion here about it too.

Mink 11-27-2012 06:37 AM

Pretty obvious to me this video is just the last bit of what was a $hit hot break ("overhead" for you USAF types). Prolly 450 at the initial, 4G break at the numbers, dude finally got it slowed to gear speed on short final.

I'd call it: SHB (HFWUX) (\IM) (LOBIC-AR)

OK pass.

USMCFLYR 11-27-2012 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by Mink (Post 1299751)
Pretty obvious to me this video is just the last bit of what was a $hit hot break ("overhead" for you USAF types). Prolly 450 at the initial, 4G break at the numbers, dude finally got it slowed to gear speed on short final.

I'd call it: SHB (HFWUX) (\IM) (LOBIC-AR)

OK pass.

Now you know that s/he needs more than 4 G's after a 450 kt break at the numbers :D (of course you did say 450 at the intial - maybe s/he came in for the whisper break???) No LSO here - but at least I remember something and could have wished for such passes during my few times! ;)

USMCFLYR

Mink 11-27-2012 06:47 AM

You're right - forgot to mention "wide abeam".:p

trashhauler 11-27-2012 08:52 AM

More like JWIB-SPIG:)
John Wayne in the break- Slim Pickens in the groove. Got one of those in the training command:(

MaydayMark 11-27-2012 10:18 AM

The Scariest Airplane Landings You've Ever Seen! - YouTube

2StgTurbine 11-27-2012 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by av8rmike (Post 1298979)
No, never. So being at Vapp at 3.2nm from touchdown causes panic in the ATC Tower? Sounds like a "them" problem and not an "us" problem.

Why? Do you accept a lot of "180 or greater until 3nm" requests?

Had that problem in IAD. First they assigned 250 when I was 12nm out. Then at 10nm they gave me 170. Like you, I aim to be stabilized by 1,000 and was. On 1nm final tower tells me to speed up. The captain politely tells him to stuff it and the tower complains that we went back to final approach speed 3 miles out! I couldn't care less. I fly by the book and could care less if that makes ATC slow down traffic behind me.

DeadHead 11-27-2012 02:08 PM

Anyone else notice that at 10 seconds before touchdown they were 2 dots low on the glide slope, about 24 knots fast, and had the incorrect incorrect crosswind correction??

2StgTurbine 11-27-2012 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1299203)
Yes there is doubt they were rushed or gaffed off a checklist. I see an aircraft flown on glidepath on speed. The gear likely came down late rushed/gaffed or more likely distracted. They likely pushed the 500' target and if that is the case they probably should have gone around. In the cockpit they made the decision that the approach was safe and what do you know, they were right.

The rest is between them and the company. None of my business.

Using your logic then I have never messed up because I have always landed safely. If our only benchmarks for success are making sure no one is killed and no metal is bent then this job would be a heck of a lot more fun but also much more dangerous.

You seem to take this personally. Just because those are you coworkers does not mean you need to wear rose-colored glasses. We learn from mistakes whether a stranger, our best friend, or even ourselves make them.


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