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FDXLAG 11-27-2012 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 1300092)
Using your logic then I have never messed up because I have always landed safely. If our only benchmarks for success are making sure no one is killed and no metal is bent then this job would be a heck of a lot more fun but also much more dangerous.

You seem to take this personally. Just because those are you coworkers does not mean you need to wear rose-colored glasses. We learn from mistakes whether a stranger, our best friend, or even ourselves make them.

What logic is there? I dont know when they put down the gear do you? What was their speed? The company has the tapes if they are worried about it I am sure the crew will find out. Not any of my business but I guess it is yours.

pssst want to see some I phone video of a guy not wearing his mask when the captain left the cockpit?

2StgTurbine 11-27-2012 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1300110)
What logic is there? I dont know when they put down the gear do you? What was their speed? The company has the tapes if they are worried about it I am sure the crew will find out. Not any of my business but I guess it is yours.

pssst want to see some I phone video of a guy not wearing his mask when the captain left the cockpit?

I could care less about punitive action to the crew. One positive thing about this forum is education. It has already stared a great debate over stabilized approaches and ADM.

I don't think this video will hold up in an official investigation, but do you honestly think the gear was down by 500 ft? I know it sucks to be put under the microscope and have our actions over analyzed by people who weren't in the seat, but that is the only way we can discuss safety. Let us say that instead of posting a video, someone just asked your opinion on getting the gear down seconds before you crossed the threshold. That is how I view this thread. You are taking this way too personally.

FDXLAG 11-27-2012 03:07 PM

Wow I am not taking it personally at all. I dont have all the facts, so I dont feel qualified to comment. You obviously do. I have already said if they pushed the 500' stable target they should have gone around after that what more needs to be said? We certainly dont need to go as far as some here have when they figured out from 30 seconds of video outside the cockpit the crews intentions.

Huck 11-27-2012 03:16 PM

This story is shrouded in the mists of time, but when they first implemented the 1000' stable rule, a captain I flew with told me he knew the management guys that made the decision.

He said they picked 1000' because of situations like this. Pilots could make a quick recovery and still be stable by 7-800 feet or so.

2StgTurbine 11-27-2012 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1300132)
Wow I am not taking it personally at all. I dont have all the facts, so I dont feel qualified to comment. You obviously do. I have already said if they pushed the 500' stable target they should have gone around after that what more needs to be said?

Actually, I have not commented on the video at all. I commented on the statement people made claiming if you land the plane without breaking it, you did nothing wrong.

FDXLAG 11-27-2012 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by Huck (Post 1300137)
This story is shrouded in the mists of time, but when they first implemented the 1000' stable rule, a captain I flew with told me he knew the management guys that made the decision.

He said they picked 1000' because of situations like this. Pilots could make a quick recovery and still be stable by 7-800 feet or so.

You mean a 1000 feet wasnt intented as a brick wall. They still allowed piloting back then.

FDXLAG 11-27-2012 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 1300140)
Actually, I have not commented on the video at all. I commented on the statement people made claiming if you land the plane without breaking it, you did nothing wrong.

And I have only commented on people watching 30 seconds of video outside the cockpit and then pronouncing the crews state of mind and intention. As far as I know the gear was down at 500' and the aircraft was on glidepath and on speed. If not they pay people to determine the facts and I dont want that job.

Flyinhigh 11-27-2012 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1300142)
You mean a 1000 feet wasnt intented as a brick wall. They still allowed piloting back then.

As anyone who has flown the 757 at FedEx will attest, when we first got the airplane, we were trying to figure out how to slow it down on approach. Plus, we are all nice guys, so we try to do what approach wants. Got asked to do 170 to the marker one night to accomodate an MD following us. Of course we will. No problem. Didn't really pick up on the 15 knot tailwind until about 1500 feet. Gear, boards, flaps 30, open the window and stick my arm out; anything to get stable at 500 feet. Boards stowed, gear down, flaps 30, checklist complete and still slowing to approach speed at 500 feet; Captain says "unstable, airspeed, continue." Everything was in place by 350 feet, normal landing and roll out. Yes, we can still use some judgement (at least we could then).

Busboy 11-27-2012 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 1300140)
Actually, I have not commented on the video at all. I commented on the statement people made claiming if you land the plane without breaking it, you did nothing wrong.

Just curious...Who said that?:confused:

2StgTurbine 11-27-2012 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by busboy (Post 1300230)
just curious...who said that?:confused:

Here you go...


Originally Posted by fdxlag (Post 1299203)
i see an aircraft flown on glidepath on speed. The gear likely came down late rushed/gaffed or more likely distracted. They likely pushed the 500' target and if that is the case they probably should have gone around. In the cockpit they made the decision that the approach was safe and what do you know, they were right.


Originally Posted by cessnan1315efw (Post 1298982)
everybody seriously needs to relax.. The plane landed safely. You all never did a approach that wasnt by the book stabilized? I swear it's like more than half the people posting on this thread are faa narcs.



Originally Posted by huck (Post 1298109)
these guys boogered up the approach, but they made a nice touchdown. Hope that's kept in mind.



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