Lakeside

I've been extended into conflict with a subsequent trip. Am I reading the contract correctly in that I can elect to deny sub and ask for a drop/overage in which my overage would include the guarantee from the conflicted/dropped trip plus overage for free of duty(legal rest)? This would trigger 150% for 12 hours and 200% for all hours after?

FDXLAG

You lost me but I am pretty sure (generally) you want to elect overage en lieu of sub.

MaydayMark

I think (I'm pretty sure) that you have to option to select either (whichever pays more) but I believe you MUST DECIDE BEFORE the end of the first trip.

Recommend that you can ALPA Contract Admin and gets the FACTS from them. A wrong answer might cost you some serious bucks ...

mcdbirdman

You have until 30 min after the blockin of the trip you are on that caused the conflict to decide if you want the credit for the lost trip or the overage for the trip you are on that was extended. Do the math and decide which pays more. If you elect to take the overage than the credit for the trip you lost will go into your makeup bank. Be sure to tell scheduling that you want the conflicted trip dropped without credit for sub. This will trigger the overage credit for your extended trip. Hope this is clear.

Lakeside

Thanks for the reply, but my specific question is does the overage calculated include the CH's from the subsequent/conflicted trip? The way I read 4.BB.5.a it says overage is ACH for the extended trip and SCH for the conflicted trip. And you still get your M/U bank replenished. This seems too good to be true. If it is true then during a conflict you should always take overage and not SUB.

FDXLAG

Dont know what it means but I guess I will keep others from having to look it up.

5. If a trip’s ACH exceed OSC or the trip is operationally extended past its original scheduled return time, a pilot shall earn overage CH computed as the higher of:

a. ACH minus the sum of OSC for the trip and SCH of any subsequent trip(s) removed with pay due to actual conflict; or

b. trip rig computed for the time the extended trip conflicts with time the pilot was scheduled to be free from duty at base, if such time exceeds 2 hours.

Lakeside

Hey thanks that helps! I guess I could have reprinted it. OSC is Override Scheduled Credit or just time over 8 hours of block. It doesn't really matter in my case, so that can be ignored. It seems pretty straight forward to me overage is calculated ACH(extended trip) and SCH (conflicted trip). As long as the word "and" means "plus"

Born2AV8

Don't believe this correct. I think that you have to make the decision to decline sub before the show time of the trip that is in conflict. B2AV8

Dahlysia

I will throw my 2 cents. Overage is usually a better deal but not always. If you are getting a day or two of overage but your sub trip is a long trip you might be better off accepting sub. First of all, if you are coming from an international trip you have a 48 hours duty free buffer in which scheduling can not assign you a trip. This buffer will be in the initial sub window, meaning they can not assign you a trip in the initial sub window. You get paid for 3 days right off the bat, they go into daily sub windows.
Do the math and see how much overage you will be paid and compare it to the sub trip. Obviously if your trip got extended 4 to 5 days overage is the way to go.

Adlerdriver

3 choices:
1. Take sub for the trip in conflict (the one after the trip getting extended). Can be the best choice if your trip is only extended enough to cause a conflict but the overage doesn't pay more than the sub trip. You will get trip guarantee for the extended trip, any overage that happens between the trips (where they don't overlap) and the normal sub pay rules apply to the trip in conflict.

2. Drop/Overage - you drop the trip in conflict, hours go in your make-up bank. You DO NOT get any pay for the trip in conflict. You get all the overage for the trip that was extended. Usually the best option with a long extension (i.e. days) and a shorter trip in conflict.

For either option 1 or 2, you have until the extended trip blocks in + 30 minutes to decide.

3 Take OTP for the trip in conflict. Hours for the trip in conflict go in make-up bank and you can fly them at 125%. You will get overage from the extended trip for any time between the two trips that doesn't overlap.
You have a couple of time frames for electing this option depending on the length of the trip. Both deadlines are after that for option 1/2.

So, don't be in a big hurry to make an election while you're still out on the extended trip. Wait until your trip ends or at least until it's pretty close to being over and more revisions are unlikely. The ALPA calendar encourages you to make an election at your earliest opportunity upon learning of the conflict. This is really bad advice. I had a trip extended, elected overage and dropped the trip in conflict while I was still on the first trip. Then my current trip was re-revised back to almost the original footprint. Sub or OTP was a much better paying option but they were no longer available since I had already made a choice.