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Old 01-16-2013 | 01:15 PM
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Let's say that I'm scheduled on CZ. Can I refuse? Could I call the company and say, "I'm not flying them...find another way."?

I'd be willing to press to test.

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Old 01-16-2013 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MacGuy2
I think I'd send those photos (and your narrative) to BM and JB too.

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Old 01-16-2013 | 02:17 PM
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A few weeks ago a FDX pilot had video posted here and on youtube of him violating the FOM and from what I understand he is now NOQ and under investigating from the FAA. Now this video surfaces and I bet nothing happens. There in lies the difference between US airlines and Mainland Chinese airlines and why we should not be schedules on Mainland Chinese airlines. I thought it was unacceptable when they started doing it and wondered why we did not ***** more about the change.
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Old 01-16-2013 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Wildmanny
Let's say that I'm scheduled on CZ. Can I refuse? Could I call the company and say, "I'm not flying them...find another way."?

I'd be willing to press to test.

WM
I'm confident that this will work.
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Old 01-16-2013 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by The Walrus
I'm confident that this will work.

So I guess the answer would be? No?
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Old 01-17-2013 | 10:12 PM
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So, put yourself on this airplane.

You look out the window and see what is in the first pic, as you can tell you are turning onto the runway for takeoff.

What do you do?

1) Shut up and pray you survive the takeoff?

2) Get up, cause a commotion, and demand to be let off the plane?

3) Get up and blow the slide on one of the doors?

Don't forget that now if you die, your wife only gets $300K, I think it is, by the contract.

Remember when she used to get your retirement?

I think the union and management needs to address this situation immediately.

No more trips for me on CZ!
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Old 01-18-2013 | 02:37 AM
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Nightflyer,
Exactly my point! I was a hostage (granted I wasn't worrying about my wife.... currently single, but I was definitely concerned about my future ability to interview applicants for the wife position). As I said before I filed a pilot ops report, but it is now 5 days later and still no response or action. I'm not sure how long this process takes, but its probably running through legal to see if they have any risk in doing nothing. From my point of view though, Im not sure the company could take the risk of doing nothing. For example... They've now been notified that this airline is a safety hazard, and the company changes nothing. I'm pretty sure that now if something were to happen, just one lawsuit would be incredibly expensive because they had prior knowledge. Am I right? I still don't want to be that guy.... just saying....
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Old 01-18-2013 | 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sunburn
As I said before I filed a pilot ops report, but it is now 5 days later and still no response or action. I'm not sure how long this process takes, but its probably running through legal to see if they have any risk in doing nothing. From my point of view though, Im not sure the company could take the risk of doing nothing. For example... They've now been notified that this airline is a safety hazard, and the company changes nothing. I'm pretty sure that now if something were to happen, just one lawsuit would be incredibly expensive because they had prior knowledge. Am I right? I still don't want to be that guy.... just saying....


In the past few months I've received replies concerning the Pilot Ops Reports that I submitted OVER A YEAR AGO!*? That system is a good concept but ... maybe an ASAP report would get more attention!*?
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Old 01-18-2013 | 03:52 AM
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I agree with Hdawg and Mayday. File an ASAP and specifically call the safety shop to include a info email to your Fleet Captain. Also call the union safety shop.You were working and adhering to the company schedule. They have a responsibility to ensure you have a safe work environment . It is the same if you witness an unsafe operation on the ramp or something that might endanger you like a unsafe cab driver. Totally unacceptable! Glad you're safe!
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Old 01-18-2013 | 05:10 AM
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Email or call your Fleet Captain and/or System Chief Pilot directly - surely they must be aware, by now, of this incident. (& don't call me Shirley)

Ask them directly what is or has been done about this & report back here what they tell you.
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