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Pakagecheck 04-10-2013 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by PicklePausePull (Post 1386488)
Well, in this case you are completely WRONG! In the 2006 contract our union negotiated for agency shop which under the RLA allows a negotiated contract whereby any pilot can be terminated for non payment of union dues. So there is no option to withhold dues (not that I would exercise it anyway).

My point was that if the union could negotiate such a drastic action taken by the company, an action where the company has no interest whether we pay our dues or not, why cannot the union attempt to negotiate something that is in our best interests. Yes, we may have to give something up. But flying DP's is supposed to be a safety issue.

In the end, as many have said on this site, it is all about the money. Flying DP’s just isn’t serious business to our union membership or there would be something in place to discourage it. Collecting money for all members is big bucks. And money talks!

BTW, if this were about fairness, why were all the non-members grandfathered into the agency shop rule? They have never had to pay their share. That was part of the negotiated deal in 2006. So non-members get away without paying, but members who toe the line (DP flyers excepted) are required to pay. No fairness there.

I think he was saying, you don't have to pay dues if you quit and go somewhere that doesn't have it, if it is that important.

Pakagecheck 04-10-2013 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 1386776)
Nightflyer makes a good point about our union. Maybe it's about time we give the junior guys some real representation in our union? Perhaps we should allow the junior members of our union, in good standing, to vote on agreements. Maybe even go so far as to allow them to elect their own representatives on our MEC.

I know, crazy talk!!

Slow down cowboy, we don't want the youngsters to actually think they have a say in things!:rolleyes:

Pakagecheck 04-10-2013 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r (Post 1386763)

Sorry Niteflyr, I watched for 13 years here how things worked with Voluntary Dues. Guys would quit for every little thing. Pilot managers never paid a Dime. Why do you think we lagged the industry for so long?

Totally agree! If you were on the property in 95 when half the crew force was union and the other half wasn't, it was one of the most horrible experiences around! I personally broke up a fight in the cockpit(although, I should have let it play out). Especially since the 72 cockpit is soooo spacious. After that, as Red stated, we had guys quit for every reason in the book, "They were mean to me", A bunch of guys close to retirement stopped paying to save the extra money prior to retirement, etc. While I agree that some of the things haven't proceeded IMHO the best course, instead of just whining about it, how about participating! Look at our voting record. Boy we have such a great of percentage voting on union matters!:rolleyes:
So if you can't get them to stop surfin porn on a layover for 10 minutes to vote, how are other issues gonna be solved? I got it, why don't we just hang out in ops an b1+c#, "my 9u$$y hurts!"

CargoCan 04-12-2013 08:02 AM

I don't know where this thread is going, but good job 757 FOs. Correct me if I'm wrong, and someone definitely will, but I don't think a single FO has picked up one of the heinous dps this month. Wish I could say the same for the Capts!

Overnitefr8 04-12-2013 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by CargoCan (Post 1389609)
I don't know where this thread is going, but good job 757 FOs. Correct me if I'm wrong, and someone definitely will, but I don't think a single FO has picked up one of the heinous dps this month. Wish I could say the same for the Capts!

Actually I think 3 were picked either thru vto or on first night of OT. I don't think any in either seat have been picked up after the first night of OT.

CargoCan 04-12-2013 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by Overnitefr8 (Post 1389668)
Actually I think 3 were picked either thru vto or on first night of OT. I don't think any in either seat have been picked up after the first night of OT.

FO or Capt?

Overnitefr8 04-12-2013 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by CargoCan (Post 1389728)
FO or Capt?

See post 15 of this thread

fdx727pilot 04-14-2013 09:50 AM

Last 57 Cap DP, 76/27Apr is now being flown by new Cap SE (I assume voluntarily, since they can't be assigned to even a custom line.) The guy has been here long enough to know better.

Overnitefr8 04-14-2013 12:47 PM

Not an excuse, but I would venture to say that since he literally just checked out, he probably hasn't been paying attention to 757 DPs. However, he is way to senior not to check them out before putting in a custom line request.

FlyByNyte 04-14-2013 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by CloudSailor (Post 1385272)
I flew with the captain on the trip for 20 APR. I had been assigned a DP from RA, he had been drafted for it. He showed me his math on how much he was getting paid for that trip, and showed me a copy of his previous month's paycheck -- which was substantial, in which he had been drafted for one other high CH DP, and two other normal trips. He knew it was a DP, and because of the extra pay, he didn't think it was that bad... it was.

What a d@uche' bag. Will that get me censored? Do I have to say DB flew a DP? I suppose he followed the pay stub show and tell with pics of his cars, boat, motorcycle and plane...and eventually wife? I have been suggesting to my reps for years...that we insist, the SIG insist, that the comments section of the pairing say "DSP." Hell they can make it say "FZN" until someone from the secret squirrel charter group is able to coordinate the pick up or draft.:eek:


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