Gunter

Sounds like PBS lovers are spreading it pretty thick. Can you say "Career Flex"?

Adlerdriver

What you're saying is true if you got a secondary line for your vacation month. Actually, the 7 days are worth 42 CH and you would get the balance of the secondary BLG scheduled in trips or R-days (not necessarily 8 work days to use your example). With PBS, that's the way it would be for everyone. No more ability to knock out a 90 hour single departure line with 7 days of vacation. No ability to go the other way and bid a line that doesn't conflict w/ your vacation at all so you can get it bought back in Dec if you'd prefer the cash over time off.

Believe it. There's no reason to have sliding or expansion if the planners are building your secondary (I mean PBS) line around your vacation. When was the last time you had the option to slide or expand your vacation in conjunction with a secondary line? I'll give you a hint, NEVER!

MacGuy2

No offense to you personally, but you are the perfect dupe or foil for the Company. We, the crew force, have told the Union we want no part in PBS. They have told us that PBS is a non-starter. Why don't we let them negotiate. You've taken the Company's rumor, laid it out here on APC as some gospel truth that it's going to happen, and generally just stirred the pot for no reason.

So now, while we're all juiced up and distracted with PBS, we fail to see something else get slipped in to the contract. All I'm saying is let's keep our eyes on the finish line. Let our negotiators do their thing. We have the final say on the contract and I would certainly think our MEC would like to bring us a TA that we can approve.

Now back to the rumors.

MG2

magic rat

Yo Irish, did you call your union rep and ask? Or just decide to post a thread to create mass hysteria?

fr8av8r

"I have seen the enemy, and he is us."

kronan

Just me-
but I don't want my NC coming to me with an offer I've already told them is unacceptable.

FDXLAG

So it is a law or something that says vacations can't be processed after schedules are assigned, just like they are now? Work rules are whatever the company and the association agree to.

Busboy

Uhhh....We've always had the option to slide vacations on a secondary line. Of course, you do it before they fill your line with trips.

NO PBS.

Adlerdriver

Typically, PBS systems are set up to have the schedules built after known conflicts like training and vaca are already in place. Much of the efficiency of the system would be lost if it wasn't. I suppose it could be negotiated, but it seems unlikely if the company's motivation is gaining the efficiency inherent in a PBS system.
There are so many other "cons" for us w/ a PBS system, the vacation stuff is just the tip of the iceberg. Just say "no".

True. I meant it in the context of sliding the vaca to conflict with a trip, not just tweeking the actual days you're off.

Flaps50

Never give them anything like PBS for money. There is always a reason they are willing to poor so much money at something like this. The outcome for us will not be favorable if we allow PBS into our livelihoods. We've all watched as other airlines have given up pay, work rules, and retirements in bad times but PBS will never go away from these airlines. Just vote no to PBS period!