I was in training this week and heard some ungodly rumors about PBS.
Specifically a 20% raise if we accept PBS.
With all the folks who have less in 10 years to go, we are all screwed because you know they're voting yes.
The word is that PBS's a dealbreaker for the company and 20% is on the table I wonder how this is going to go?

 

The deal is broke, then.

 

I agree with Huck, automatic NO vote for me. Not even for 50% more. Seriously. I have lived the transition from line bidding to PBS, twice. I have also lived the transition for flight attendants from line bidding to PBS. Every time, it sucked, for 95% of the folks. Vacation, training, reserve, everything, was a concession on QOL. Not worth any type of money to give up that amount of QOL.

 

This is not drama, I heard this from a solid source.

My question is, why haven't we heard this earlier from the union folks?

If this is accurate, I believe it is, why havent the union folks pre warned? Why am I paying dues?

With 18 -20% on the table then my belief is that most of the senior guys would be willing to suffer a few years of misery for the $.....we are screwed!

 

Yeah, well, then we'll be in charge of their retirement....

 

Oh, our vacation is gone entirely.....
We bid 15 days vacation, great.....no sliding, no expanding...the company will give the days off and then you get to work the other 15 days that month.

Management can offer 18-20% because its cost neutral or better.....
My guess is way better in the short and long run.

VOTE NO!

 

This I don't understand. The way the contract is written we only have to work 15 days a month. A vacation day counts as a work day. If you take 7 days vacation you owe them 8 days work. Same as now.

I don't want PBS but I can't believe you cant have work rules that allow sliding and expansion.

 

Hey Irish....How about voicing an opinion but cut the "we are all screwed because you know they're voting yes" crap. Stop dividing the crew force. I know lots of senior guys and not one has voiced that they would vote for PBS for ANYTHING....

PBS is a no vote...period.

 

We've told the MEC and the NC that we don't want any contract that includes PBS. The MEC and the NC have told us that they got that message. With those marching orders (among others), the NC goes to work.

Now, management comes to you with a rumor (yes, it was management who came to you with that rumor) and the expectation (nay, certain knowledge), that you or one of your fellow rumor recipients will come here and spread it. This hopefully to get a "That sounds like a good deal" discussion going, but as a minimum, to spread the "Why haven't we heard this from ALPA" dissension. This is known as "direct dealing." And you dutifully did exactly what management wanted you to do.

What part of "My Negotiating Committee Speaks For Me" is unclear?

I fully expect that the NC will bring me a TA without PBS in it. If they fail in that, and instead bring one that DOES have PBS, we vote it down, send in a new Negotiating Committee, and hopefully, take a strike authorization vote.

Until that comes to pass, however, keep your panties unknotted, let the NC do it's job, and stop rising to management's bait.

 

The company can offer up anything they want. But the MEC- our 13 block reps- have to approve anything to be sent to us to vote on. So- I don't see us voting on PBS.