L'il J.Seinfeld

Spin it however you want, but nobody makes just guarantee. Most UPS FOs make $200K.

Archie Bunker

Seriously FS...what if we never turned a wheel? This is not based in reality...you're just punching numbers on a calculator. What UPS FO gets paid his 75 hour guarantee per pay period, and nothing else? Answer: none. I believe Seinfeld is right...the average UPS FO easily makes in excess of $200K/year. Senior FOs that can manipulate their schedule better than me make quite a bit more than $200K, I'll bet.

I'm a 2007 hire, and I made a lot more than my 75 hour per pay period guarantee last year. That's without picking up any open time trips, and no JA/overtime trips. I just flew my line (usually a VTO line with some RSCA or RSCP scattered in there) and conflicted as many trips as I could.

Per diem, international override pay, and other premium pay (late arrival pay, change of layover pay) can (and in my case has) increased my annual pay by a 5 figure amount. That's the reality of our pay.

I think you're really misleading people by simply quoting what an FO makes based on his guarantee per pay period.

I can't speak for other FOs here, but I for one would find it extremely difficult to turn my nose up to what I get paid by UPS, just to walk away and start all over again at the bottom of another seniority list. The grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence.

1800 RVR

Sorry guys, 05 hire here and have yet to break $200K.

CactusCrew

2007 ... never been close either. At least I kept a paycheck, there's 40 that wish they had it this bad.

I actually made LESS in 2013 than 2012, go figure. It could be the long-term training event and associated per diem.

We do sound like a bunch of purple cry babies though ...

Jetjok

Perhaps, but then you'd have more spelling errors.

Happy New Year to All.

AmericanIdiot#1

2005 hire here as well. Unless you pick up a lot of trip trades and spend more time OCONUS then in CONUS raking in international per diem rates, no way will you come close to $200k.

Luckydawg

As a 2007 hire (almost furloughed), I make only guarantee. I bid only reserve lines, that is all I can hold. I might be able to hold a garbage SDF line or VTO but I bid mainly reserve. I in fact have never broken guarantee in six years with the exception of open time trips. I have flown open time trips before the ban and post with the open lift. I make a great salary but I have never broken 200K.

The grass is greener with your seniority L'l J, good for you. A few numbers around here makes a huge difference.

I hope that 2014 is the year our furloughees return. I don't think they can get much more in efficiencies. Happy New Year, I hope you all are doing ok and are working!

L'il J.Seinfeld

Over half our FOs top $200K. That's according to the IPA. The sick check isn't guarantee, but most of us are getting the full amount. Take our hourly rate and add three zeroes then multiply by 1.2 and that's our average FO pay.

Gunter

Please tell us more about the sick check. when is that triggered? Does it go to your retirement account or into your paycheck?

At FedEx when our sick/disability account hits about 680 hrs the excess goes into our retirement account at the end of every year. At retirement, if we have a positive balance, it goes "poof" and is gone. No payout of any excess when we leave.

DC8 Driver

Exactly, it's all about perspective. It's not just regional guys either, there's a handful of us over at Atlas in our mid 30's that would give up 8 or 9 years seniority and jump at the chance to work for UPS or FEDEX.