Gunter

This is kinda funny. You keep saying we don't understand how it works when it's you who don't understand what I am saying.

"Listening to their BS" is negotiating in good faith, on our end. They aren't listening to us. They aren't coming to the table with a reasonable position. They want concessions, period. It's such a broken record you have to think they are stalling or trying to subvert the process.

I am merely looking at where this is going to end on it's current trajectory. You don't seem ready to plan for the end game. You should.

FlyByNite

Congrats. Only took you 20 years to graduate!

FDXLAG

And they would tell the mediator the exact same thing. They aren't listening to us, we offered them a 20% raise and still they refuse to discuss "industry standard" scheduling practices.

And yes they are stalling, why would they want a contract?

AFW_MD11

shack!!

RLA quiz #2: name the last MAJOR airline in the U.S.A. (passenger or not) to be released to self-help, the year that it occurred, and how long the parties had been in negotiations prior to self-help

but.....

UNITY - I am Ready!

(remember those bag tags?)....are YOU (we) really ready?

MaydayMark

I'm ready for my past due 3% pay raise ... hurry up already, we'll sign anything for 3%

TonyC

Mine, too, and the last excuse I listened to: "It's too inconvenient to deadhead with a hat."






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TonyC

Hey, I may be dumb, but at least I'm slow!






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TonyC

We're having to listen to their BS because they have been emboldened to insult us with disrespectful proposals, and because they are in no hurry to actually negotiate.






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AFW_MD11

So?

what else is new in airline contract negotiations?

Some of you are acting like this is some new/different tactic than any airline management has ever perpetrated before in contract negotiations.

It is nothing new!! I'm not insulted by it. I EXPECT it from airline management - they usually do not disappoint.

We have an "industry-leading" contract NOW - that doesn't contain PBS - that is in force NOW - until/unless WE agree to amend it.

We haven't even been in "formal negotiations" again for a full year yet.

Management is the party who has reneged on the "bridge" contract concept & is now stalling - another broken promise - another reason we have little trust in anything they do.

Our negotiators are doing everything they can legally do to expedite the process & close the deal - but, the system is set up so that either party can at least attempt to control the pace.

Management walks a fine line (in the eyes of an arbitrator - some day - down the road) between negotiating in good faith & blatantly abandoning the bridge/expedited/interim discussions format that they agreed to pursue - and instead dragging out the process by steadfastly clinging to unreasonable proposals that our union leadership & membership have clearly stated will not ratify (PBS)

we will find out in short order whether or not PBS is still on the table - & then proceed accordingly.

meanwhile save your spare change in the unlikely event there's rain in the forecast.

UNITY - I am Ready!

dckozak

And all you got to show for it is a crummy ALPA lanyard!