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Old 12-19-2013, 09:37 AM
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That's an interesting thought. Yeah, I had always considered that you needed to make sure and call in as soon as possible to give them enough notification so you hadn't been assigned a trip.....but I suppose if you're going to the doctor anyways, that could be smart. It seems they did that carpet bombing thing awhile ago, but I hadn't realized they'd started it up again until lately. Many years ago, they were charging people for trips that fell out of our reserve periods.
A couple of times I was given mysterious x pairings that had no recap...
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Old 12-19-2013, 11:23 AM
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A couple of times I was given mysterious x pairings that had no recap...
I had that happen to me years ago. Charged for trips that never existed. I guessed they probably "built" them, charged the same trips to several pilots on reserve, and then the trips were magically cancelled. Seemed like an odd coincidence, but I guess that's a possibility. I'm really not sure if this is scheduling being devious, or them not being aware or too busy to investigate. When I called them awhile ago, they seemed very unfamiliar with if they were even legal to assign someone in my specific reserve period to the trip in question. Made me wonder how they were assigning people on reserve if they weren't even sure of the rules. New schedulers?
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Old 12-19-2013, 02:53 PM
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Is it possible to do this with Airport Stand By pairings too?

There sure is a huge increase in these during Peak, and it appears the vast majority are Not filled voluntarily

It would be quite easy to find/assign one of these to almost any reserve period, cycling thru numerous pilots

Perhaps the only way to connect the dots would be to see the "summary data" each day for each jet/crew position

Is Scheduling/Flight Mgt willing to be that transparent ??

....or those on reserve could voluntarily report their individual "Trip assignment while Sick data" to the union where it could be collected & summarized
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Old 12-19-2013, 04:54 PM
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I'm really not sure if this is scheduling being devious, or them not being aware or too busy to investigate. When I called them awhile ago, they seemed very unfamiliar with if they were even legal to assign someone in my specific reserve period to the trip in question. Made me wonder how they were assigning people on reserve if they weren't even sure of the rules. New schedulers?
I've had scheduling call and assign me a SUB trip on (legal) short notice. I don't live in MEM and was forced to decline the trip and lose the pay.

When I took out he contract and read the SUB section I wasn't even in an assignment window!*? I called CRS back and asked to speak to a manager ... he said they'd been discussing whether this was a legal assignment BEFORE they called me! I pointed out that it wasn't, he agreed and credited my pay ...

I've probably called in SCK 5 times (maybe exclusively on RSV?) in the last 5 years. I was assigned a trip against my SCK bank EVERY TIME. Every other SCK guy on RSV was assigned the same trip. Coincidence ... I think not?

So ... they are assigning trips that they KNOW are NOT in accordance with the contract, then waiting to see if we call their bluff. There should be a penalty for that!*?
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"When I took out he contract and read the SUB section I wasn't even in an assignment window!*? I called CRS back and asked to speak to a manager ... he said they'd been discussing whether this was a legal assignment BEFORE they called me! I pointed out that it wasn't, he agreed and credited my pay ...

So ... they are assigning trips that they KNOW are NOT in accordance with the contract, then waiting to see if we call their bluff. There should be a penalty for that!*?"

That is amazing. They knew it wasn't legal, and they assigned it anyways. Probably knowing as a commuter you'd have to decline it and lose the pay for the sub window. Well, I guess they don't have any negative consequences for trying. Apparently the newly articulated value of "integrity" does not apply to crew schedulers.
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Caught them last year hitting my sick bank when I called in sick on RSV. Contacted ALPA and Contract Enforcement was able to call them on it and I got the time added back to my bank. Worth the call if you think they are just hitting you bank for spite.
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Originally Posted by DLax85
Just wondering if anyone else is seeing an increase in scheduler "reindeer games" this peak season ...??

Over the past week, I've heard specific examples of schedulers not offering trips as RAT trips, when they were clearly revised outside of RAT parameters....and assigning SUB trips that clearly did not meet SUB parameters.

The schedulers are feigning proper knowledge of those parameters when initially challenged, and only relenting after numerous phone calls when the affected pilots quote the contract.


I wonder how these actions reflect flight managements newly articulated values: safety, leadership, integrity and professionalism ???

I've just been denied for the third time today an open time swap, for the same trip due to "insufficient reserves"; open trip on 12/23 PM "out & back", trying to swap off my 12/23 trip with a PM deadhead, operate back to MEM AM 12/24. 12/23 has 1 open trip, "Max Open" of 17, 12/24 has 12 open trip with "Max Open" of 25. Just called crew scheduler, he gives me snarky reply that the VIPS auto reply of "insufficient reserves" is a computer parameter he can't override to process the swap. I replied to him I have insufficient interest in DRF calls for the weekend.
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Old 12-19-2013, 07:53 PM
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he gives me snarky reply that the VIPS auto reply of "insufficient reserves" is a computer parameter he can't override to process the swap.
Ohhhh....but he can override for a Draft trip. I've had similar issues and when the Draft call comes....they can magically move R Days, and swap trips, and drop stuff that I've tried multiple times to drop with no luck.

You can always call in sick and as soon as you're pulled - call in well and pick it up as a sick makeup.
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Old 12-20-2013, 02:38 AM
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They can change, modify, split, move, swap, drop any pairing(s) in any combination anytime IF it's in their interest.
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:36 AM
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I've just been denied for the third time today an open time swap, for the same trip due to "insufficient reserves"; open trip on 12/23 PM "out & back", trying to swap off my 12/23 trip with a PM deadhead, operate back to MEM AM 12/24. 12/23 has 1 open trip, "Max Open" of 17, 12/24 has 12 open trip with "Max Open" of 25. Just called crew scheduler, he gives me snarky reply that the VIPS auto reply of "insufficient reserves" is a computer parameter he can't override to process the swap. I replied to him I have insufficient interest in DRF calls for the weekend.
Not to belittle your point, but how many airport standbys are on those days? They count as trips too.
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