Especially, with a "labor friendly" administration

 

Uhhh...Actually, it was the other way around. The old timers(senior workers) voted against the agreement. It was the younger workers(lower seniority) that passed the contract. They were afraid that they would be furloughed if they didn't concede to Boeing's extortion.

I thought it was also interesting that 8,000 eligible members did not even bother to vote. And, the contract was passed by 600 votes out of 23,000 cast.

Boeing vote, Chicago Tribune

 

It is worth noting how this vote happened. The proposal was put out for a vote and voted down by about 67%. Boeing changed a few minor things and sent it back. The local IAM said no way and would not even put it out for a vote.....the National level of IAM stepped in after Boeing apparently went to them and forced a vote.

( this is recounted as best as I can recall....but it sure does make you wonder......!!)

 

Wow, you mean union management in collusion with the company - never saw that here.

(Especially with this great new business relationship we have with company)

 

Dude, I get you're disappointed with ALPA.

But I swore if I read this statement from you again (this is the 2nd time I've seen you say it), I'd say something.

Not sure how long you've been here, but the whole "business like relationship" is a quote from the DW / BC era.

SS and group have never, not once, used a phrase like that. I'm not sure if you just read the Webb stuff from years ago and got so ****ed off you never read any ALPA emails again. That I could almost understand. I was not a supporter of even one single thing (including our '06 contract) that those guys did.

Maybe you should re-read (or perhaps read for the first time) some of our ALPA's newer stuff:

SS: As we progress through this end stage of contract bargaining it becomes clearer than ever; during contract negotiations there are only two teams. Our team and the team that is hard at work on an entirely different agenda. As a team we will prevail.

JC: When it comes to negotiations, Captain Stratton has written about two teams. The same must apply when it comes to management’s administrative assault on the CBA. So, I strongly encourage you to fully comprehend that your manager and your manager’s supervisors are not on your team. They see your CBA as an obstacle or an impediment—a daily hassle around which to scheme when they need a different outcome. Is that how you see our CBA? I see our CBA as an essential body of rights which has been earned over the past two decades by countless volunteers. I’m not giving it up for anyone or anything and I know which team supports that view.

These are NOTHING like the statements that came out of the Webb regime. Again, I haven't seen ONE time (and i've read every email ALPA has sent to us over the last 8 years) any "we're on the same team" or "business like relationship" BS from our guys in office now. You would never, ever, have seen statements like the above two coming out of the Webb regime.

So again dude, your derogatory "business-like relationship" remarks should actually be directed at a different FDX ALPA.

 

Let's see ... One Negotiating Committee Chairman takes a strike vote and gets fired, one Union Negotiating Committee Chairman later becomes VP of Flight Ops, another NC Chairman later becomes System Chief Pilot? A third NC Chairman states that , "he's going to fix his retirement." He did and recently retired. He didn't fix my/our retirement!

I must be imagining the collusion that you suggest?

 

I can almost guarantee the leadership in DC that shoved this down their throat weren't 25-30 year olds... but looks like that generation is just running scared now nowadays, to many years of getting beat down and just want something positive to start a life with... Add the politicians who've spent everyone into oblivion and they're right in the pockets of the large corporations too. No support for the workers' pensions, but $8B for Boeing...

 

Wow that is some power! What section in the CBA changed the retirement for this, lone, pilot? I would like to read that one.

 

Here, here. Please provide the details that support this allegation (I must have missed it too).

 

Don't put words in my mouth. Did I say Fedex ALPA? LTFU

You read too much into this statement "dude". I have been here a while, back to when we had nothing.

Other than you must have had too much coffee, your way off base and off target.

I actually was referring to our first contract here. Under FPA. Where many of those people did go and end up working in management after they left key FPA positions. PC. JK. BM. To name a few. Fishy to me...

But since you brought it up -

Glad your happy with our leadership. Let me know how that works out for you dude. It hasn't appeared to have worked out well as we head towards another peak with no agreement.

Love your comment. - the Webb Regime - you must be on the MEC, the reps love to say that.

Happy new year and lighten up Francis.