http://dms.ntsb.gov/public%2F55000-5...7%2F550788.pdf

Pages 12-14 through 12-17 contain some eye-opening banter...

 

Wow, no kidding. I'm glad that conversation was clearly caught on tape. Thanks for posting it BoilerUP. I wonder what the UPS execs are thinking about this transcript, specially after all the lobbying capital spent to fight Part 117.

RIP fellow brother and sister.

 

What are the odds this will make the news? I hope someone out there on the National scene reads these comments and reports on the double standard in play.

RIP

 

Awful to read.

 

It makes me sad to read that transcript. A couple of professional pilots, giving it their best. Screwed by the "system." If anything good can come from this, I hope it is the catalyst to really have "one level of safety."

Rest in Peace my friends...By the Grace of God, go I.

MG2

 

They were not Screwed by the system. They just screwed up. Plain and simple

 

AF-Louise: Watch that karma thing!!! Pilot error does not mean there couldn't have been safeguards in place to mitigate such a thing. If the families get hold of that transcript, I would expect some serious legal fees (litigation avoidance) will be necessary by the company.

 

It doesn't sound to me like they where particularly fatigued, although the preflight banter is certainly eye opening. It sounds like they got high on the approach and where unstable, descending in vertical speed mode because they never captured the profile. They never briefed and where seemingly unaware of the high terrain just underneath the glidepath, apparently saw the runway at DA, disconnected and went visual but never arrested the excessively high vertical speed or where already too low at that point.

Sad in many ways. The transcript reads like a textbook, professional crew doing it like they had a check airman in the jumpseat. Everything done professionally right up to the point where they continued an unstable approach into the ground.

The only warnings the EGPWS provided where "sink rate". They got a "too low, terrain" apparently after they where already hitting trees. I wonder if the autopilot disconnect warning covered up a EGPWS warning that could have saved them.

 

The NTSB hearing is going on right now. They are on the human factors group which supposedly will focus on fatigue. Right now, it's been mostly CRM. The technical group this morning was interesting.

Here is a link: National Transportation Safety Board

 

Who is JS at UPS?... Never mind... I am guessing he is the Airbus CP.