Skygirl

Lucky you! Sydney is awesome. CaptainMark should also know that $50 is $63 in AUD. You can get a fine meal in Sydney for $63. Enjoy your meal and sunny Sydney. CaptainMark will probably be doing the dishes at home.

CaptainMark

man..u convinced me...i'm on my way to target to buy a futon....safe trip..

Jetjok

Lag,

Yes, not only is it a chicken**** thing to do to NW, it could conceivably deprive them of a revenue ticket, and that's really not a nice thing to do. Why are you penalizing NWA when the problem you have is with FedEx? I hope you don't take it out on your dog when your wife gets mad at you.


Albief,

You asked "Here's another question...IF I cancel a scheduled DH but take a FDX jumpseat instead...and the FDX flight cancels...is that treated as no harm/no foul or as a missed check in?". The story I told about that trip to Mumbai should have answered your question, I believe. Once you elect to deviate, you are virtually on your own. I don't believe it would matter if you had been hitching a ride in the front seat of Freds' limo and it crapped out. You are the one who is responsible for making that 8 or 12 hour (domestic or International) final check-in.

I was riding the jumpseat into Memphis and we had a mechanical. I had given myself 2 commercial backups in case the Airbus didn't go, but we had already started our taxi-out and we couldn't get off the plane for almost 2 hours. By the time we deplaned, my backups had left. Guess who got a letter in his file.

On another occasion, about 2 weeks later, I was in FLL with a deadhead ticket back to Memphis (the Airbus coming into FLL was broken and the company asked us to deadhead to Memphis and operate the AM launch back to FLL. Anyway, the wx was bad and the ILS went down. Shortly thereafter, the Delta flight that was supposed to land in FLL and then fly back to ATL (which would have allowed us to catch the last night flight into Memphis) diverted for a low fuel state. There were no more commercial flights that would have gotten us into Memphis in time for the AM launch. I called Scheduling to let them know of the development. The scheduler asked if we would take the FedEx DC-10 (that was leaving in about 45 minutes) back to Memphis. Initially I said "sure", but then remembered the incident that had happened just a few weeks ago, so I asked him if by chance, the DC-10 broke, would we be held harmless (not get into trouble.) Imagine my surprise when the scheduler said "No, because it was your choice to deviate." Guess who spent the night in the hotel in FLL. A long winded answer, but I hope it answers your question. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

R1200RT

I think you have Captain Mark figured out.
Dinner was 74 AUD I guess I can pay the extra.

Los1

Captain Mark-
Dallas SUCKS!!!!
merry x-mas
c

fecav8r

Albie, No, the reason for the no harm, no foul is due to the fact that they have reserves in Mem to cover missed trips, not in the outlying cities.

Albief15

Okay--that makes sense. Thanks.

What is your take on adding a leg to an originally scheduled DH as I alluded to earlier? I know the "computer" shows me as a deviant...what do think about that? Is Jack's old FCIF/email still in force?

TonyC

If we get to talk about reasons and common sense . . .


If the pilot is on the last leg of a scheduled deadhead, he should enjoy the same conveniences and protections as a pilot who flies the entire deadhead sequence as scheduled. Examples have been given above of changing or deleting the first leg, and an example of adding an additional leg. Any of the changes makes the pilot a "deviator," even though he may be aboard the deadhead airplane sitting next to another pilot assigned the same trip, but who has not deviated.

The pilot who did not deviate will have ground transportation awaiting his arrival, even if it is delayed. The pilot who did not deviate will receive assistance from control center scheduling in the event the deadhead leg is cancelled or diverted or delayed. If he arrives at the "destination" city with insufficient time to rest before the live leg, the pairing will be adjusted or he will be replaced, no harm, no foul. The changes were beyond his control, and he did exactly as the scheduled pairing told him, so he can't be at fault.

The guy who joined him on the last leg suffers the same circumstances, but enjoys none of the conveniences or protections. There is no ground transportation awaiting him. (If there's ground transportation, it's because it's waiting for the "non-deviators.") He can expect to receive no assistance from Control Center Scheduling in the even the flight is cancelled, or delayed, or diverted. If he arrives in the "destination" city beyond the scheduled "Deviation Check-In" time, he is screwed. The changes were beyond his control, and he flew the last leg exactly as the scheduled pairing told him, but he's still at fault.



It would seem to me that there's a point where we could use common sense, and it seems that we could go one step further by codifying that common sense. If the pilot joins the scheduled deadhead at some point in his deviation, he should receive the same protections and conveniences as a pilot who did not deviate.





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FDXLAG

JetJok, You answer your own question later in the post. Why do I do it? Because I want to start my trip from home and catch up to the scheduled DH ie. stay protected and use the GT. Had you not canceled your scheduled ticket to mumbaibucktew you would have had no worries. Provided your bank didn't take a hit. Most of the time, when I remember, I call Global Travel and cancel the scheduled ticket, it saves some hassels. I have been known to forget. But, rule number 1 is it is all about me.

FDXLAG

Tony,

What you say is all true, however, in the real world Global Travel requires you to deviate before they add a leg. Unless you just book a 2nd ticket through tripmanager that hooks up with the scheduled pairing.

Lag