UPS to hire 40 pilots
03-09-2015, 08:33 PM
#871
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Originally Posted by Rhino12
Great info...
What would you expect a new hire on 76Z to look like out of SDF? Would you expect a new hire to be displaced soon out of that slot??
What would you expect a new hire on 76Z to look like out of SDF? Would you expect a new hire to be displaced soon out of that slot??
With UPS, you never know what they will do concerning displacements. Just when you think it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever to displace 5 or 10 pilots to a new domicile...that's exactly what UPS will do. Unpredictability is their strong suit. Keeping the line pilot informed is not. Their managers don't even know what's going on, and they frequently pass on bad info that is so off base, you wonder if they're doing it on purpose.
03-09-2015, 08:46 PM
#872
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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker
Coryk,
The ONT base has shrunk significantly since I was a new hire based there in 2007-08. When I first got to the base back in about April 2007, we had 150 FOs there. As a new hire I was holding base line trips mostly, which wasn't too bad since I lived locally (San Diego). As the base started shrinking, and my seniority started going backwards, I started holding A and B reserve. As I further slid backwards, it went to C reserve and hot standby. I did a lot of SDF and RFD crap...not my idea of a good time. I ended up being displaced to ANC in 2008, and I've been based there ever since...now by choice.
Fast forward to present day...only 87 FOs bid during this last bid period in ONT. You do the math. I have over 8 years on property at Brown, and if I went back down to ONT, I would be bidding 73 of 87. That's right...only 14 guys below me. That stinks, and is the main reason I'm staying in ANC now, even if I have to play the commuting game. I'll take VTO lines on the 747 in ANC all day long, before I return to ONT at the bottom of the list.
Junior domestic lines out of ONT for you would more than likely be base line trips, which are extremely difficult to commute into. Think DFW-PHX-LAS in one night with a 12 hour layover in Vegas, and then do that trip in reverse. Now do it for a couple of nights in a row, and you're pretty beat up. Now take 3 or 4 days off, and do it all over again. No thanks. The only thing that makes this even slightly palatable for the new guy, is second year pay at Brown.
The only other base that is small, like ONT, is the MIA base. I think they only have around 80 FOs bidding, and it too is a very senior base.
The ONT base has shrunk significantly since I was a new hire based there in 2007-08. When I first got to the base back in about April 2007, we had 150 FOs there. As a new hire I was holding base line trips mostly, which wasn't too bad since I lived locally (San Diego). As the base started shrinking, and my seniority started going backwards, I started holding A and B reserve. As I further slid backwards, it went to C reserve and hot standby. I did a lot of SDF and RFD crap...not my idea of a good time. I ended up being displaced to ANC in 2008, and I've been based there ever since...now by choice.
Fast forward to present day...only 87 FOs bid during this last bid period in ONT. You do the math. I have over 8 years on property at Brown, and if I went back down to ONT, I would be bidding 73 of 87. That's right...only 14 guys below me. That stinks, and is the main reason I'm staying in ANC now, even if I have to play the commuting game. I'll take VTO lines on the 747 in ANC all day long, before I return to ONT at the bottom of the list.
Junior domestic lines out of ONT for you would more than likely be base line trips, which are extremely difficult to commute into. Think DFW-PHX-LAS in one night with a 12 hour layover in Vegas, and then do that trip in reverse. Now do it for a couple of nights in a row, and you're pretty beat up. Now take 3 or 4 days off, and do it all over again. No thanks. The only thing that makes this even slightly palatable for the new guy, is second year pay at Brown.
The only other base that is small, like ONT, is the MIA base. I think they only have around 80 FOs bidding, and it too is a very senior base.
While in sdf, I heard from 4 separate pilots all agreeing that Miami is within reach at around the 1-2.5yr mark for a new hire...as it goes "senior and junior". I also understand I would be junior for sometime as I would be the 'plug' so to speak, what type of trips per month one could expect to be getting? All night turns nobody wants?? And if on reserve for a long time, do reserves get used a lot??
Thanks in advance
SD
03-10-2015, 02:07 PM
#874
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Originally Posted by jlee22
So if you wanted to try to get ONT as a new hire, how long would it take to hold it? What time do those base line trips duty on and duty off? Is it like 2 day trip flying in the middle of the night?
Base trips out of ONT are a mix. Some have day flying, others are nights. There's no good example.
03-11-2015, 12:22 AM
#875
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Originally Posted by skengdon
Great post Archie!! I'm interested in said scenario but in the MIA base?? If you know about it(or anybody else).
While in sdf, I heard from 4 separate pilots all agreeing that Miami is within reach at around the 1-2.5yr mark for a new hire...as it goes "senior and junior". I also understand I would be junior for sometime as I would be the 'plug' so to speak, what type of trips per month one could expect to be getting? All night turns nobody wants?? And if on reserve for a long time, do reserves get used a lot??
Thanks in advance
SD
While in sdf, I heard from 4 separate pilots all agreeing that Miami is within reach at around the 1-2.5yr mark for a new hire...as it goes "senior and junior". I also understand I would be junior for sometime as I would be the 'plug' so to speak, what type of trips per month one could expect to be getting? All night turns nobody wants?? And if on reserve for a long time, do reserves get used a lot??
Thanks in advance
SD
How junior, you ask? Just for reference, I checked where I would be on the FO list there, and it isn't pretty. I've been at Brown for over 8 years, and I would be 72 of 80 on the FO seniority list. That's correct...a whopping 8 pilots below me there.
As for the type of flying they do there, I don't really know specifics. I know they fly to Central and South America, but they also do domestic stuff too. A MIA based guy really needs to pipe in here.
03-12-2015, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker
Yeah, MIA might be within reach in a year or two...but it is VERY senior. You would be be extremely junior there for a looooong time.
How junior, you ask? Just for reference, I checked where I would be on the FO list there, and it isn't pretty. I've been at Brown for over 8 years, and I would be 72 of 80 on the FO seniority list. That's correct...a whopping 8 pilots below me there.
As for the type of flying they do there, I don't really know specifics. I know they fly to Central and South America, but they also do domestic stuff too. A MIA based guy really needs to pipe in here.
How junior, you ask? Just for reference, I checked where I would be on the FO list there, and it isn't pretty. I've been at Brown for over 8 years, and I would be 72 of 80 on the FO seniority list. That's correct...a whopping 8 pilots below me there.
As for the type of flying they do there, I don't really know specifics. I know they fly to Central and South America, but they also do domestic stuff too. A MIA based guy really needs to pipe in here.
Just to tag onto this info, I am pretty sure that recently a FL resident with that same relative seniority bid out of MIA and into SDFZ.
Maybe he'll address why on here ... it could be the junior MIA schedules were that bad, or the junior SDFZ flying is that good ?
FIT95 you around ?
03-12-2015, 06:13 AM
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I've been in Miami since the opening so here's a good advice..grab the bid pack and if you are on the left side of the list you do good but if you're on the right better be living close by and if you're the bottom 10% it's gonna SUK bad.
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