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Pakagecheck 05-25-2014 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Wildmanny (Post 1651228)
Flight ops manglement at its finest. Seriously, be safe!

PS--Just remember guys, unfortunately we aren't negotiating with the likes of our ops leadership, but with lawyers.

WM,
While I get your general intent, who do you think is sitting across the table from our negotiators?

Nothing dumb, daring or different.... just the contract.
Pakage

flextodaline 05-25-2014 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by busdriver12 (Post 1651052)
Couldn't have possibly said it better! Really, the distractions in the cockpit are about graduations and vacations? Good God!! What planet do these people live on?:eek:

A planet where no managers fly, or HAVE flown the line with any regularity.

Nitefrater 05-25-2014 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by magic rat (Post 1651115)
Graduations? Summer vacations? Pathetic and out of touch leadership. Period.

It's not leadership, nor does it pretend to be. Leadership and management are NOT the same thing. We have management.

DLax85 05-25-2014 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Nitefrater (Post 1651276)
...It's not leadership, nor does it pretend to be. Leadership and management are NOT the same thing. We have management.

Agree

Resources are managed

People are led

However, in the world of aviation safety one commonly looks at:

Man, Machine, Medium, Management and Mission

If you're going to effectively talk/preach to people about safety, it requires true leadership

Wildmanny 05-25-2014 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Pakagecheck (Post 1651252)
WM,
While I get your general intent, who do you think is sitting across the table from our negotiators?

Nothing dumb, daring or different.... just the contract.
Pakage

Of course there is a management guy there, I think it is JP this go around, but it doesn't make all that much difference. The general intent of my post is that we are battling lawyers, who more than likely have more on the ball than our crack managers. They get some of their input from management.

Gunter 05-25-2014 07:59 PM

I think this falls under words and phrases managers aren't allowed to use.

When they ask about any "vacation" distractions affecting you, with a quick wink, they're really asking about their failure to negotiate.

The answer is - Yes, we are approaching systemic failure

moondoggie11 05-29-2014 03:22 PM

BM Email - Letter to Captains
 
Ah, the elephant in the room is finally acknowledged...due to "an increase in the number and frequency of inflight events."

There's a simple solution...and "making Safety our number one priority" is not it.

MD11Fr8Dog 05-29-2014 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by moondoggie11 (Post 1654289)
Ah, the elephant in the room is finally acknowledged...due to "an increase in the number and frequency of inflight events."

There's a simple solution...and "making Safety our number one priority" is not it.

I wonder if talking about BM's $250K fuel sense bonus, and speculating on his potential sick note bonus would be considered a distraction!

YYESIAV8 05-29-2014 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog (Post 1654296)
I wonder if talking about BM's $250K fuel sense bonus, and speculating on his potential sick note bonus would be considered a distraction!

250K...where did you get that info?

MD11Fr8Dog 05-29-2014 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by YYESIAV8 (Post 1654330)
250K...where did you get that info?

Go ask him. ;)


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