UPS Training
07-10-2014, 03:41 PM
#11
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Nope...I have confidence in BT and the E Board and the negotiating team. I don't go off "half-cocked" in despair after being told negotiations are going to be tough. Guess what? The company isn't going to give us everything we want just because we want it. I'm so glad you're not negotiating for us...you would come back after one session with TC and say, "We're screwed, they don't want to give us anything!"
Now, back to the thread topic. Do you have anything to add to the topic of new hire training besides your normal *****ing and moaning about the company? If not, perhaps you should start your own thread how you love FDX without really knowing why.
JTF
Pilot7576
Now, back to the thread topic. Do you have anything to add to the topic of new hire training besides your normal *****ing and moaning about the company? If not, perhaps you should start your own thread how you love FDX without really knowing why.
JTF
Pilot7576
07-10-2014, 03:56 PM
#12
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As a training "regular" with 4 long term, initial aircraft type events in 7 years, I feel comfortable saying that UPS training is relatively fair and painless. If you put forth the effort, you should not have a problem.
Both the IPA instructors and the UPS staff do a fairly good job at keeping the training focused and on topic. The only program that I am unfamiliar with is the A300, but I know that the others have gone to AQP, so it is easy to know what is expected and to prepare for each event.
Enjoy it, because it may be the last time you don't feel tired from working at night, unless you are stuck with the 0000-0400 sim time ... ugh !
Both the IPA instructors and the UPS staff do a fairly good job at keeping the training focused and on topic. The only program that I am unfamiliar with is the A300, but I know that the others have gone to AQP, so it is easy to know what is expected and to prepare for each event.
Enjoy it, because it may be the last time you don't feel tired from working at night, unless you are stuck with the 0000-0400 sim time ... ugh !
07-10-2014, 06:03 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by UPSpilott
I bet you wanted to say this too after BT's latest video?
"We have a massive fight on our hands". Statement straight from the association's leader. I guess it's not so rosy around here?
"We have a massive fight on our hands". Statement straight from the association's leader. I guess it's not so rosy around here?
07-10-2014, 07:15 PM
#14
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Originally Posted by Pilot7576
Nope...I have confidence in BT and the E Board and the negotiating team. I don't go off "half-cocked" in despair after being told negotiations are going to be tough. Guess what? The company isn't going to give us everything we want just because we want it. I'm so glad you're not negotiating for us...you would come back after one session with TC and say, "We're screwed, they don't want to give us anything!"
Now, back to the thread topic. Do you have anything to add to the topic of new hire training besides your normal *****ing and moaning about the company? If not, perhaps you should start your own thread how you love FDX without really knowing why.
JTF
Pilot7576
Now, back to the thread topic. Do you have anything to add to the topic of new hire training besides your normal *****ing and moaning about the company? If not, perhaps you should start your own thread how you love FDX without really knowing why.
JTF
Pilot7576
07-10-2014, 09:41 PM
#16
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Position: B-747-400 FO
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Originally Posted by brownie
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07-10-2014, 11:02 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by UPSpilott
Not trying to be negative, just trying to mentally prepare you for things to come. There isn't a damn thing at UPS that is quality
) and still keep your job. Assuming you're off probation, of course. Yet... the people that get fired on probation (I know of one), in my experience, get fired based on attitudes and behaviors-- not checkride failures. An old crashpad roommate was given three attempts at his probationary checkride. He didn't get asked to turn in his badge because of his performance, but because of his blaming everything and everybody but himself. He was a "victim" of the training program, the front-end captain and FO, etc. You don't think our fleet is quality? Try jumpseating on fellow freight airlines sometime and compare the quality and standardization of the airplanes. Then try comparing our pay to our main competitor (who has a narrowbody B-scale). Our UPS pay and retirement package is not "quality?"
UPS, like any major airline, has its issues, but to say that there isn't a "damn thing" at UPS at quality is to show that you really aren't worth listening to.
07-10-2014, 11:19 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by Freight Dog
UPSpilott, you really lose all credibility with statements like this. UPS training, on all fleets, is very laid-back and professional. And zero threat. You can fail checkrides multiple times (like 7? We can all thank J.S. for this ) and still keep your job. Assuming you're off probation, of course. Yet... the people that get fired on probation (I know of one), in my experience, get fired based on attitudes and behaviors-- not checkride failures. An old crashpad roommate was given three attempts at his probationary checkride. He didn't get asked to turn in his badge because of his performance, but because of his blaming everything and everybody but himself. He was a "victim" of the training program, the front-end captain and FO, etc.
You don't think our fleet is quality? Try jumpseating on fellow freight airlines sometime and compare the quality and standardization of the airplanes. Then try comparing our pay to our main competitor (who has a narrowbody B-scale). Our UPS pay and retirement package is not "quality?"
UPS, like any major airline, has its issues, but to say that there isn't a "damn thing" at UPS at quality is to show that you really aren't worth listening to.
) and still keep your job. Assuming you're off probation, of course. Yet... the people that get fired on probation (I know of one), in my experience, get fired based on attitudes and behaviors-- not checkride failures. An old crashpad roommate was given three attempts at his probationary checkride. He didn't get asked to turn in his badge because of his performance, but because of his blaming everything and everybody but himself. He was a "victim" of the training program, the front-end captain and FO, etc. You don't think our fleet is quality? Try jumpseating on fellow freight airlines sometime and compare the quality and standardization of the airplanes. Then try comparing our pay to our main competitor (who has a narrowbody B-scale). Our UPS pay and retirement package is not "quality?"
UPS, like any major airline, has its issues, but to say that there isn't a "damn thing" at UPS at quality is to show that you really aren't worth listening to.
As for UPS being quality. Yah sure...whatever makes you feel good about flying for brown...including self denial. Have at it.
07-11-2014, 04:03 AM
#19
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Freight Dog,
B scale is a pay level that came about at American Airlines, back in the early '80's. It provided that new pilots, that is recently hired pilots, would be paid a lower wage (for about 6 years if I remember correctly), for flying the same equipment and routes. Here at FedEx, when the company went from Falcons to B-727's, the saying was "Delta plus a nickle", then when the DC-10 came on property a wide-body pay scale was negotiated. So in effect, our wide-body pay scale is actually an A+ pay scale, if you get my meaning.
B scale is a pay level that came about at American Airlines, back in the early '80's. It provided that new pilots, that is recently hired pilots, would be paid a lower wage (for about 6 years if I remember correctly), for flying the same equipment and routes. Here at FedEx, when the company went from Falcons to B-727's, the saying was "Delta plus a nickle", then when the DC-10 came on property a wide-body pay scale was negotiated. So in effect, our wide-body pay scale is actually an A+ pay scale, if you get my meaning.
07-11-2014, 05:34 AM
#20
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
Freight Dog,
B scale is a pay level that came about at American Airlines, back in the early '80's. It provided that new pilots, that is recently hired pilots, would be paid a lower wage (for about 6 years if I remember correctly), for flying the same equipment and routes.
B scale is a pay level that came about at American Airlines, back in the early '80's. It provided that new pilots, that is recently hired pilots, would be paid a lower wage (for about 6 years if I remember correctly), for flying the same equipment and routes.
Other airlines followed with B-scales which cut less initially and slowly increased to A-scale over a period of years, which forced AMR to back off somewhat. Within a few years, B-scales were gone from the majors, but were essentially transferred to their regional feeders, along with a lot of the flying. 
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