Vacation and Annual Training: FDX
07-14-2014, 09:35 AM
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Vacation and Annual Training: FDX
I am a Memphis 757 guy. If you have a trip that would be covered by vacation and annual training (HUD, EVAS, GWOE, CMV1), how would that work? Say you bid a line with a nine(9) day trip. My annual training selections all fall in days 3-6 of that trip, plus my vacation starts over the last two days (days 8-9). Does one take priority over the other? If the answer is too long for this forum, please PM me. Thanks.
07-14-2014, 10:15 AM
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I believe that they process it via vacation conflict first, then training. So if you're trying to use the training to knock out the trip and make it up in the conflict window, you'll be out of luck, as vacation would have knocked it out first.
But I am not absolutely certain. It seems that every time I bid vacation and training in the same month, I manage to screw myself. I advise you to call (good luck getting them to answer), but better yet to email futures immediately and ask them the question. You should get an accurate answer from them.
But I am not absolutely certain. It seems that every time I bid vacation and training in the same month, I manage to screw myself. I advise you to call (good luck getting them to answer), but better yet to email futures immediately and ask them the question. You should get an accurate answer from them.
07-14-2014, 10:25 AM
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Haven't been in your situation, but as best I can recollect the Red line of Justice covers the actual days of vacation, and not any Expanded days.
In your situation, might slide a day to the right. But, have to make sure your vacation block is touching your any scheduled trips you'd like to block. No limit to the number of CHs you can knock out by touching, only get scheduled vacation hours + 6 for an expansion
If you wind up with a VTO or RSV line, there's a 48 hour buffer on either side
In your situation, might slide a day to the right. But, have to make sure your vacation block is touching your any scheduled trips you'd like to block. No limit to the number of CHs you can knock out by touching, only get scheduled vacation hours + 6 for an expansion
If you wind up with a VTO or RSV line, there's a 48 hour buffer on either side
07-14-2014, 08:01 PM
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As sad above, slide your vacation so that it will touch one day of your Trip. Make sure that you have at least 48hrs between 1st day of VAC and last day of training or you won't get the training slots you bid. (48Hr buffer)
You are still eligible to make up some of these vacation hours during the View/Add as a makeup bid, if you wish to do so. (prior to Open Time Release) Or you can just use additional VAC hours to cover the difference.
You are still eligible to make up some of these vacation hours during the View/Add as a makeup bid, if you wish to do so. (prior to Open Time Release) Or you can just use additional VAC hours to cover the difference.
07-15-2014, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by livindadream
As sad above, slide your vacation so that it will touch one day of your Trip. Make sure that you have at least 48hrs between 1st day of VAC and last day of training or you won't get the training slots you bid. (48Hr buffer)
You are still eligible to make up some of these vacation hours during the View/Add as a makeup bid, if you wish to do so. (prior to Open Time Release) Or you can just use additional VAC hours to cover the difference.
You are still eligible to make up some of these vacation hours during the View/Add as a makeup bid, if you wish to do so. (prior to Open Time Release) Or you can just use additional VAC hours to cover the difference.
And you might not be eligible for vacation hours to be made up in the View/Add window. It depends upon how many vacation days are in your period, and how many credit hours the trip is. If you have a ten day vacation, and a nine day trip, you don't get to make up anything. Plus if you do end up with a MUV trip, you can't drop or trade it. Better make sure you really want it.
07-15-2014, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by busdriver12
Plus if you do end up with a MUV trip, you can't drop or trade it. Better make sure you really want it.
Originally Posted by busdriver12
And you might not be eligible for vacation hours to be made up in the View/Add window. It depends upon how many vacation days are in your period, and how many credit hours the trip is. If you have a ten day vacation, and a nine day trip, you don't get to make up anything.
07-15-2014, 08:54 PM
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"This is not true. Make-up vacation has nothing to do with trip length vs vacation length. It's all based on if you have or are projected to have a deficit in your vacation bank. You can put in for VMU for whatever your deficit is +6 hours in the view/add period for your vacation month. You don't even have to have vacation in the month you do it, if you're already in the hole (although those inputs can't use the view/add and are just like any other makeup request - actually they have the lowest priority of all m/u)."
I agree with that. I worded it poorly. Though I've never tried to do a view/add in a month that I didn't have vacation (but was in the hole for vacation), so I can't validate that. I actually find very little reason to ever do vacation m/u, since you're stuck with the trip.
I agree with that. I worded it poorly. Though I've never tried to do a view/add in a month that I didn't have vacation (but was in the hole for vacation), so I can't validate that. I actually find very little reason to ever do vacation m/u, since you're stuck with the trip.
07-15-2014, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Airbusdriver
I am a Memphis 757 guy. If you have a trip that would be covered by vacation and annual training (HUD, EVAS, GWOE, CMV1), how would that work? Say you bid a line with a nine(9) day trip. My annual training selections all fall in days 3-6 of that trip, plus my vacation starts over the last two days (days 8-9). Does one take priority over the other? If the answer is too long for this forum, please PM me. Thanks.
You cannot have a trip conflict with both training and vacation. When the bid closes, you first have to declare where your vacation is going to reside. If it hits the trip, then the trip is gone. After the trip is removed for vacation, you then bid and are awarded your training. The training could possibly hit another trip and remove it, but the trip that was hit with the vacation has already been paid to you with the vacation hours.
07-16-2014, 03:02 PM
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Vacation buffer and training:
25.C.11c. Recurrent training bids shall be awarded by seniority, provided, however, that a pilot shall not be awarded a recurrent training session in conflict with any other known absence (e.g., vacation period, leave of absence), or carry-out activities from the previous bid period (e.g., carry-out trip or R-days). If a pilot bids a recurrent training session in conflict with a vacation buffer, that buffer will be deemed to have been waived.
25.C.11c. Recurrent training bids shall be awarded by seniority, provided, however, that a pilot shall not be awarded a recurrent training session in conflict with any other known absence (e.g., vacation period, leave of absence), or carry-out activities from the previous bid period (e.g., carry-out trip or R-days). If a pilot bids a recurrent training session in conflict with a vacation buffer, that buffer will be deemed to have been waived.
07-17-2014, 12:01 AM
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On a similar note -
If I have vacation during first week of September, and am awarded a line in August with carryout into that vacation period, when is the C/O trip removed for vacation?
I would like to know because if the C/O trip is removed this Monday (CIC window closing), I could then still max slide my vacation during the September CIC window (next month), correct?
Thanks.
If I have vacation during first week of September, and am awarded a line in August with carryout into that vacation period, when is the C/O trip removed for vacation?
I would like to know because if the C/O trip is removed this Monday (CIC window closing), I could then still max slide my vacation during the September CIC window (next month), correct?
Thanks.
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