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Old 10-08-2014, 09:11 PM
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The American worker has lost power and wages as stakeholder value has been supplanted to only shareholder value. Note section on stock buybacks.

The vanishing pay raise
Harold Meyerson: How workers lost the power struggle ? and their pay raises - The Washington Post
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The fact that all new jobs created in the last 10 years have gone to immigrants might have something to do with it.
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We have to be patient and wait for the trickle down.
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We have to be patient and wait for the trickle down.
No, that was in previous decades when people actually worked for a living. Now people who work for a living get to pay for the growing millions who choose not to. That's not "trickle" anything. It's more like federal fracking of your paycheck.
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No, that was in previous decades when people actually worked for a living. Now people who work for a living get to pay for the growing millions who choose not to. That's not "trickle" anything. It's more like federal fracking of your paycheck.
Wrong! People in previous decades were able to find jobs that paid a living wage. The top income tax rate was 91% until 1964 and remained at or over 70% until 1982. In the 1960s and 70s Cessna built 900 to 1600 C-172s each year. In recent years it has been a little over 100 per year even though the US population has grown by 30%. We have a 30% growth in potential customers but they only able to build and sell less than 10% of the numbers of the 1960s.

Nick Hanauer gave a good explanation in his TED Talk. He is not a professional speaker but a partner in a private equity firm. He earns between $10 million and $30 million a year.
A TED Talk on Income Inequality by Nick Hanauer - YouTube
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... He is not a professional speaker but a partner in a private equity firm.

He earns between $10 million and $30 million a year.
Earns...??

Shhhh....No!

Earnings would be taxable at normal tax rates

As a private equity partner, his labor is compensated as "carried interest"

That's taxed at far lower rates!
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I own a small business and the positions I have pay more than minimum wage, but only slightly above what someone on unemployment takes home.

Three people I tried to hire chose to stay at home and take the government check and not work for me.

Your tax dollars hard at work while the individual is not hard at work when offered a job.
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Originally Posted by FoxHunter View Post

In the 1960s and 70s Cessna built 900 to 1600 C-172s each year. In recent years it has been a little over 100 per year even though the US population has grown by 30%.

George, George, George ...

As usual you only tell part of the story (maybe you'd make a good Obama staffer?).

And now ... the rest of the story.

In the 60's, 70's and 80's there were significant legal judgements against General Aviation Manufacturers. Cessna never imagined when they produced an airplane that they might be legally liable for accidents 50 years later. They stopped producing airplanes (maybe that's why sales plummeted?)

In an effort to limit manufacturer liability and save the industry, Congress passed the General Aviation Revitalization Act (GARA). I'll spare you the ugly details and post a link below ...

General Aviation Revitalization Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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The fact that all new jobs created in the last 10 years have gone to immigrants might have something to do with it.
That's not a true statement, most immigrants do work which others walk away from. A lot of people rather live of the government instead of working for min wage. So this have nothing to do with immigrants.
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Originally Posted by DLax85 View Post
Earns...??

Shhhh....No!

Earnings would be taxable at normal tax rates

As a private equity partner, his labor is compensated as "carried interest"

That's taxed at far lower rates!
Yes, he pays a lower rate because of the tax treatment of his earned income.
Warren Buffet's view of the issue.
Warren Buffett on Carried Interest and Capital Gains Taxes: Investment Partnerships - YouTube
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