Ebola and Work assignments
11-12-2014, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by skywatch
Point = disease not wildly contagious as some believe, no need to quarantine asymtomatic people.
Side point (since you brought it up) = Efforts to screen proposed by CDC/WHO at exit from country adequate, screening at entry purely political move.
Hope that is clear enough. Going to bed.
Side point (since you brought it up) = Efforts to screen proposed by CDC/WHO at exit from country adequate, screening at entry purely political move.
Hope that is clear enough. Going to bed.
11-12-2014, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by skywatch
Huh? Hindsight how? I will try to be clearer. Despite the established fact that outside of two healthcare workers treating a very sick Liberian man in the late stages of the disease, some on this board seem to believe that this disease can be easily transmitted by casual contact. This despite the factual evidence that of hundreds and hundreds of people "exposed" here in the US via the infected nurses from Dallas and the doctor from NY, none zero nada have gotten infected.
I am certainly missing your point (if you made one) about reading the news this week? So I am clearly not smart enough to understand how a news article about the possible decline of Ebola in West Africa has anything to do with the point I attempted to make?
I apologize in advance for my ignorance and look forward to you dumbing down your last remarks for me.
I am certainly missing your point (if you made one) about reading the news this week? So I am clearly not smart enough to understand how a news article about the possible decline of Ebola in West Africa has anything to do with the point I attempted to make?
I apologize in advance for my ignorance and look forward to you dumbing down your last remarks for me.
No one really knew how fast it would continue to spread. Viruses often mutate.
I thought it was smart to play it cautious. Others saw it was not transmitting very readily, in it's current form, said it wasn't medically necessary to be overly cautious. The military took the cautious route while civilians did not.
Now that the outbreak appears to be under control the less cautious appear smart. I don't think they were smart, just leading a life of privilege and lucky.
You noticing it didn't continue to spread is indeed hindsight.
11-12-2014, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by skywatch
Point = disease not wildly contagious as some believe, no need to quarantine asymtomatic people.
Side point (since you brought it up) = Efforts to screen proposed by CDC/WHO at exit from country adequate, screening at entry purely political move.
Hope that is clear enough. Going to bed.
Side point (since you brought it up) = Efforts to screen proposed by CDC/WHO at exit from country adequate, screening at entry purely political move.
Hope that is clear enough. Going to bed.
Why did they put over a hundred people under observation?
11-12-2014, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by skywatch
If we "dodged a bullet" and this disease is this contagious (or at least, more contagious than CDC/WHO says) like some of you seem to believe, then why is no one in this country (outside of two nurses dealing with one very sick man) ever caught it here? Of the hundreds and hundreds of people exposed on aircraft and in waiting rooms and bowling alleys and all these places that the Liberian man and the nurses and the doctor went, why is no one they saw or spit on or sweat on or sneezed or yawned or sat next to have Ebola? The only transmission that has taken place in the US involved health care workers, who presumable were exposed to the urine, feces, blood, and vomit of the dying man from Liberia. I am unaware of any other "transmission" at all. Unless it is all part of the cover up? Is that the suggestion?
Ebola is not a highly contagious disease but it is a very highly infectious disease. What's the difference? Contagious refers to how easily the disease is spread human to human. Infectious refers to how many bacteria, virions, or other pathogen particles are needed to infect a human.
My concern showed earlier on this thread came from the fact that our government did not have protocols in place to prevent Ebola virus infected humans from traveling to the USA, nor were they ready for an outbreak in the USA, local or widespread transmissions.
The bullet dodged refers to Mr. Duncan who lied and successfully came to the USA knowing he had been in contact with the virus if not infected with it before the disease was mature enough to become highly infectious. So yes, we dodged a bullet with Mr. Duncan. Interviews with the staff in the Texas hospital reveal that they were not prepared and lacked the knowledge and equipment to identify, diagnose, and treat Ebola patients.
In Sierra Lione, Ebola cases have sharply increased. They're holding steady in Guinea and Liberia. Unfortunately Mali is now reporting cases. Currently the WHO reports ~6500 dead from Ebola. Based on known infections and the rate to which it is spreading they expect 12,000 to have died next month. In other words, the disaster is increasing and still spreading.
The worry is this. Although our government has reacted, there are still a lot of cracks in the system to prevent infected people from traveling to the USA and to prevent local transmissions. Now that flu season has arrived, people will be normalized to an individual coughing and sneezing where a few months ago people would have given way to said individual. Ironically, the flu kills about 30,000 (estimated) people a year in the USA but we ignorant Americans tolerate people coming to work sick or going out in public. Our ignorance, hubris, and lack of preparation (because that stuff only happens in Africa) could very well kill a lot of people here.
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11-12-2014, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
Then why did they take the Frontier flight the nurse flew on out of service and replace the seats?
Why did they put over a hundred people under observation?
Why did they put over a hundred people under observation?
Everything if FINE!!!!
Go back to watching "reality TV" and Christmas shopping.
11-14-2014, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
Then why did they take the Frontier flight the nurse flew on out of service and replace the seats?
Why did they put over a hundred people under observation?
Why did they put over a hundred people under observation?
Because people are un-informed sheep who bleat about "airborne transmission" of a disease with no ACTUAL evidence of it happening. It's a PR move and a smart one at that.
11-14-2014, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by azoomietheist
Because people are un-informed sheep who bleat about "airborne transmission" of a disease with no ACTUAL evidence of it happening. It's a PR move and a smart one at that.
11-14-2014, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
You mean like people are stupid so we lie to them about Obamacare?
Shifting the debate is a classic sign that you don't have facts or logic on your side.
Allow me to demonstrate...
You mean people are stupid so we lie to them about WMD's or the Patriot Act or *insert any legislation here*
11-14-2014, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by azoomietheist
Shifting the debate is a classic sign that you don't have facts or logic on your side.
Allow me to demonstrate...
You mean people are stupid so we lie to them about WMD's or the Patriot Act or *insert any legislation here*
Allow me to demonstrate...
You mean people are stupid so we lie to them about WMD's or the Patriot Act or *insert any legislation here*
Exactly why the goobermint can't be trusted when it comes to whose interest comes first. The CDC is nothing more than a politicized branch of Obama's money laundering scheme. Don't forget they could have had a vaccine if it wasn’t for the evil Republican budget cuts.
Whether anyone can catch ebola from a door knob or not (they can) does not change the fact that importing more ebola patients will lead to more Ebola in the US.
