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Old 01-16-2015, 04:53 AM
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I agree with you. I think we should go to a 3/6 month training cycle. That would be better, wouldn't it?
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That is frickin' genius. I'd wear that lanyard all day long.
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This is too funny.

What management, the SVP, is doing is called cherry picking. He wants to pick the worst things other "major airlines" do and call it industry standard. Never mind that international guys are in the international bid pack at Delta and we can get assigned ANYTHING off reserve. The great things they do, FAR 117, get thrown out with the bath water.

I'm pretty sure this is what FS had in mind when he had a special meeting with the MD11 training guys. Longer training cycles are the key to safety.
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I agree with you. I think we should go to a 3/6 month training cycle. That would be better, wouldn't it?
you're missing the point. Don't want MORE training, but going to longer intervals could compromise safety in OUR airline. Don't G.A F. what they do at Delta. We need to set our OWN standard practices and not follow everyone else just because Sr. management can't have an original idea because they are worried about their bonus......
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Didn't we try a 12 month cycle 10 or 15 years ago?

Guess how they measure whether the training is effective? Failure rates. Yep, we don't have enough guys failing training in the the 6/12 model, so they can "afford" to stretch it out. It all comes down to dollars and until the correct percentage of pilots start failing, they will stretch out training to save money. They fail to see what happens if that failure happens on the last trip before the scheduled sim for a particular pilot. They also don't seem to care what effect a training failure can have on a career.

Most of us would think that zero failures is the goal, but not the accountants. This just serves to remind us all that we are a cost center, and an expendable one at that.
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Didn't we try a 12 month cycle 10 or 15 years ago?

Guess how they measure whether the training is effective? Failure rates. Yep, we don't have enough guys failing training in the the 6/12 model, so they can "afford" to stretch it out. It all comes down to dollars and until ...

It all comes down to failure rates until ... we "ding" an airplane and maybe somebody gets hurt! It seems like a REALLY bad idea to me? Maybe we should do away with any sort of annual training, just think how much money we could save! Booyah!*?

There are some things that should never get cut in the interest of saving money, maybe this is one of them? I suggest we stretch out our maintenance inspections and start saving money there. We could cut our preflights down to 40 minutes if we didn't have to do a "walk-around" inspection?

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Originally Posted by flextodaline View Post
you're missing the point. Don't want MORE training, but going to longer intervals could compromise safety in OUR airline. Don't G.A F. what they do at Delta. We need to set our OWN standard practices and not follow everyone else just because Sr. management can't have an original idea because they are worried about their bonus......

+1 or 2 or 3. Or however many take passed the message is too short!
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...There are some things that should never get cut in the interest of saving money, maybe this is one of them? I suggest we stretch out our maintenance inspections and start saving money there. We could cut our preflights down to 40 minutes if we didn't have to do a walk-around inspection?
Let's not forget there was a management suggestion a few months ago that crews no longer do a DG inspection because it's not a hard FAA requirement that the pilots inspect ADG

Hmmmm --- I'm thinking that's still a smart use of 2 mins of FO time

Especially, since the pilots are the only ones at physical risk when the DG decides to act Dangerously in flight
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