YYESIAV8

So how is that the safer option?

Aren't you cutting your nose off to spite your face?

USN2FEDEX

You know what they say....

Safety Third

kronan

Don't think so, historically there are more issues with minor failures near V1 resulting in Rwy overruns than with a "simple" engine failure. The increased acceleration a Max power takeoff and increased Stop Margin seems the better option than being Kludo, IMO

Shoot, Mgt has decided to go with the industry std of an extended training cycle so there's Clearly no issues with folks performing V1 cuts.

And, many MELs default into Max power T/O's. Presumably for similar logic. Very irritating to perform one of those on 13k Rwys during an empty repositioning flight

YYESIAV8

Not trying to quibble, but what "historical data" are you citing for more overruns?

While I'm a fan of "data" I think this is becoming one more red herring thrown out there. I believe all major US carriers DON'T provide stop margin data to their crews. I have not seen or heard of a lot of HIGH speed rejects here or even at other airlines. I have heard of a few low speed rejects and most of these have been just after setting T/O power and are more of the "pull it back to idle" and talk about it variety.

I'm sure somebody will provide some examples of high speed rejects. But can we honestly say they are a problem here?

Lots of chaff and flares being tossed out there, not all intended to distract us, but in any case it is.

V1VR

I'll always have some known stop margin.

Try shortening the runway by 500 ft. Then you will always have a 500 ft or better margin. Then try max power, or better yet, taxi to a longer runway if available. Captains, be Captains.

kronan

Don't know, or care, what other data airlines provude their crews

I do think we operate closer to MTOGW than pax folks , but don't "kmow" that.

I can think of 3 mishaps/incidents where folks got themselves wrapped up in the go, don't go decision loop and bent the airplane...can't think of a single report where a 121 crew bent metal following an engine failure

With modern engines, failure rate is way lower than the historical norm. If Stop Margun goes away because mgt is freaking over 1 pilot who reportedly bumped freight because of how heavily the acft was loaded on that 1 particular day....I personally, intend to accept the added stress and reduced operating life a TOGA takeoff puts on the motor. IMO-it will be the easiest way for me to be comfortable operating out of short rwys. In the past, that comfort level was provided my knowing my predicted stop margin

cp44fla

There is so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to start. I've never seen a crew force get so puckered up about stop margin. If it's zero......you're still fine. Any hi-speed reject is going to be a serious situation. We have to obviously be on our game with less of a stop margin but why do we trust performance numbers in other situations but not when it comes to takeoff stop margin?
If the data says you've got less than 500' it's as if guys don't want to go. And off loading freight to get more runway is completely ridiculous. Other airlines don't give you stop margin. They deal with required runway length. If you're good....you're good.

Huck

I say the same about your post.

We use stop margin for one thing: whether to choose another runway or not.

I've never seen a pilot refuse a takeoff because of a small stop margin. I've seen plenty of 777 takeoffs that had a stop margin of less than 250 '.

The stop margin is a tool to see whether the closer runway is acceptable, or whether we need to taxi to a longer runway.

If you take off with a tiny stop margin on a shorter runway (or with a tailwind), when you could have taxied a little longer to a better stop margin, and something happens and you screw up an abort, get ready. NONE of this pressure to use the closest runway is in writing. It's all verbal. It'll just be you sitting at the table, explaining why you decided to not use the big runway. The one that Fred Smith paid for (36C), so we could use it......

Vito

Sitting here reading this thread and I'd like to ask my FedEx Bro's a question. What is the "DG Inspection" that you perform prior to flight? At UPS we get a NOTOC form telling us what and where the DG is, but I've never inspected it. Unless I have reason to question the paperwork. Do you guys actually inspect it?
just curious.

flextodaline

The FO is req'd to inspect to make sure it's not leaking/stinking.....like some of our older Captains