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Old 03-05-2015, 11:02 AM   #11  
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I figured this would get a lot more discussion considering our Union is very much against this.
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If I was king at the big three, and read that FedEx was working against me, the airfare agreements contract with FDX would not be renewed.
Which Union? ALPA National (Pax) or FDX ALPA (Freight)? There is a difference. Rest rules for one.

Does Open skies allow us to fly around the EU? Would you rather DHL do that for us?

Not sure of all the facts here but US Pax airlines fly to a foreign city then back. We fly out, get a reset, then keep going for 6-12 days. How would turning our 12 trips into 3 day trips affect pilot manning? The pilots at Pax airlines wouldn't mind doing that to us for the "Greater Good", which is growth and prosperity for the big three. They are very happy to carry our freight in the belly now.

How very naive of you to think they would cancel our contracts. That's emotional. This is business.
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Which Union? ALPA National (Pax) or FDX ALPA (Freight)? There is a difference. Rest rules for one.

Does Open skies allow us to fly around the EU? Would you rather DHL do that for us?

Not sure of all the facts here but US Pax airlines fly to a foreign city then back. We fly out, get a reset, then keep going for 6-12 days. How would turning our 12 trips into 3 day trips affect pilot manning? The pilots at Pax airlines wouldn't mind doing that to us for the "Greater Good", which is growth and prosperity for the big three. They are very happy to carry our freight in the belly now.

How very naive of you to think they would cancel our contracts. That's emotional. This is business.
Agreed, it's nice to see somebody actually "gets it" here on APC.
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ALPA National does not represent the best interests of the FedEx pilots. When push comes to shove, ALPA National will side with the pax carriers. If they spent half the time on the cargo cutout that they spend on the pax carriers problems, there would be no cutout.

FedEx pilots need to understand that the only reason ALPA wants us around is for our money.

FedEx pilots should belong to an all cargo union.

When we voted to join ALPA national, one of the promises was better lawyers, and tighter contract language. How's that working out for us? How many grievances have we actually won?
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The only traction we get with ALPA national is when we piggy back on one of the Pax issues. We were hoping for that with rest rules. Continued failure on that front is the last straw for me.

National can cry all they want about Foreign Carriers taking their flying but until it gets real on rest rules I don't have time for them.
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Probably because although a foreign carrier might bring in freight, they'd have no way of dispersing the stuff. They don't have the Infrastructure for pick up and delivery. Thankfully.
Good point. I never thought about that.

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Which Union? ALPA National (Pax) or FDX ALPA (Freight)? There is a difference. Rest rules for one.

Does Open skies allow us to fly around the EU? Would you rather DHL do that for us?

Not sure of all the facts here but US Pax airlines fly to a foreign city then back. We fly out, get a reset, then keep going for 6-12 days. How would turning our 12 trips into 3 day trips affect pilot manning? The pilots at Pax airlines wouldn't mind doing that to us for the "Greater Good", which is growth and prosperity for the big three. They are very happy to carry our freight in the belly now.

How very naive of you to think they would cancel our contracts. That's emotional. This is business.
Yes, FedEx ALPA. FedEx MEC Chairman clearly stated at a hub turn meeting (a year ago?) that Emirates and the foreign carrier threat was a big deal to us (Fedex Pilots) and that management should come to the table and sign a contact with the FedEx pilots so that we can put that aside and worry about the bigger issue (Open Skies threats).

This is why I was very surprised to see management FedEx come out against Open Skies.
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Yes, FedEx ALPA. FedEx MEC Chairman clearly stated at a hub turn meeting (a year ago?) that Emirates and the foreign carrier threat was a big deal to us (Fedex Pilots) and that management should come to the table and sign a contact with the FedEx pilots so that we can put that aside and worry about the bigger issue (Open Skies threats).

This is why I was very surprised to see management FedEx come out against Open Skies.[/QUOTE]

Huh? Against open skies? The first line of their letter says they are writing to express strong support of open skies.
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Yes, FedEx ALPA. FedEx MEC Chairman clearly stated at a hub turn meeting (a year ago?) that Emirates and the foreign carrier threat was a big deal to us (Fedex Pilots) and that management should come to the table and sign a contact with the FedEx pilots so that we can put that aside and worry about the bigger issue (Open Skies threats).

This is why I was very surprised to see management FedEx come out against Open Skies.
Huh? Against open skies? The first line of their letter says they are writing to express strong support of open skies.[/QUOTE]

Sorry I screwed that up. Management is for OS, FedEx ALPA is against.

This is why I started this thread. But some seem to be fighting me (not you YYESIAV8). All I ask is that you don't shoot the messenger, except for when I typo, haha.

I'm not sure to what extent our union (FedEx ALPA) has studied the OS issue and how it would affect FedEx pilots. I think it would be wise of us to have a detail discussion or analysis of OS and its affects.
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Huh? Against open skies? The first line of their letter says they are writing to express strong support of open skies.
Sorry I screwed that up. Management is for OS, FedEx ALPA is against.

This is why I started this thread. But some seem to be fighting me (not you YYESIAV8). All I ask is that you don't shoot the messenger, except for when I typo, haha.

I'm not sure to what extent our union (FedEx ALPA) has studied the OS issue and how it would affect FedEx pilots. I think it would be wise of us to have a detail discussion or analysis of OS and its affects.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone is fighting you, we just aren't surprised that a global company that flys inter Europe and inter Asia would support open skies.
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Huh? Against open skies? The first line of their letter says they are writing to express strong support of open skies.
Sorry I screwed that up. Management is for OS, FedEx ALPA is against.

This is why I started this thread. But some seem to be fighting me (not you YYESIAV8). All I ask is that you don't shoot the messenger, except for when I typo, haha.

I'm not sure to what extent our union (FedEx ALPA) has studied the OS issue and how it would affect FedEx pilots. I think it would be wise of us to have a detail discussion or analysis of OS and its affects.[/QUOTE]

Open skies is what allowed this company to become what it is today. The routes that were acquired with the Tiger deal leveraged with open skies is the reason we were able to grow so much in the 90's. If you look at the seniority list almost 2/3's of the pilot force where hired since 95. Open skies is why we have a job. No surprise that the suits support it.
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Open skies is what allowed this company to become what it is today. The routes that were acquired with the Tiger deal leveraged with open skies is the reason we were able to grow so much in the 90's. If you look at the seniority list almost 2/3's of the pilot force where hired since 95. Open skies is why we have a job. No surprise that the suits support it.
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Not exactly true. Tigers had routes that were awarded with the Marshall Plan at the end of WWII as well as 5th Freedom rights, which allowed flights through NRT. This is why FDX purchased Tigers and is why FDX international expanded post 1989. FDX is still not permitted to fly cargo within a Country. For example FDX cannot pick up Freight in CGN and fly it to MUC or TXL, only through freight is allowed not origination freight. We cannot fly freight inter France out of CDG. That freight is flown by Contract Pilots who are EU citizens. What countries will benefit more from open skies?? Is flying anywhere within Japan, France or Germany more valuable than allowing a foreign carrier to fly anywhere within the US, or allowing a Foreign carrier to Stop in the US and fly on to another Country? Many foreign Airlines are State owned or state subsidized.
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