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brownie 06-05-2015 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 1896231)
I know this is a FedEx board, but you could include UPS in the title also.

Delta will have two contracts in the time both our groups have been negotiating.

Maybe because Delta value their employees and treats them like assets rather than asses.

Wildmanny 06-05-2015 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by brownie (Post 1896368)
Maybe because Delta value their employees and treats them like assets rather than asses.

Guys, guys...please! Wouldn't your time be better spent with some well thought out feedback for how they could fix the latest
Hong Kong mess?
Wildmanny (Heavy sarcasm alert!)

dckozak 06-05-2015 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by Full pull (Post 1896288)
Delta has a T/A 7 months before amendable date and how many years past the amendable date are we? Makes me want to go the extra mile for the company. Stop $&@king with us and give us the contract we deserve!

For the next week, its time to sit back, wind the watch, let the Delta TA become public, than wait a little longer ;) and see what both our MEC and Fedex management have to say about our own section 6 progress. My guess, if the DAL TA is substantially better than what Fedex thinks we should get, you can expect a replay of the play book pre 9/11 about how we are can't be compared to "real" airline pilots, ala 2006.
Fedex really miscalculated not getting us signed up 2 years ago. Now the real test is wether it really matters. :confused: Will future Red Letters make us cower, like last time, or just stiffen our resolve.
Expect some serious spin related to PBS and their TA, as I would assume they will still have it as part of their TA. Stay tuned, stay informed, and don't do anything stupid. Time now to think, not get emotional. :D

package puppy 06-07-2015 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Commando (Post 1895895)
Full Retro!!! to the penny! No Signing Bonus. This will help for future delay tactics. Actually, the Delay may help this time.

Define "retro".

package puppy 06-07-2015 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by Full pull (Post 1896288)
Delta has a T/A 7 months before amendable date and how many years past the amendable date are we? Makes me want to go the extra mile for the company. Stop $&@king with us and give us the contract we deserve!

Yet the boxes keep moving on time. Where is the incentive for management to settle?

RedeyeAV8r 06-07-2015 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by package puppy (Post 1897696)
Yet the boxes keep moving on time. Where is the incentive for management to settle?

Remember that many Pilots here at FedEx were angry when we got the Bridge contract in 2011 which was close to our amendable date.

Let's wait to see the Details of the Delta TA, i.e. Pay, work rules, benefits and Scope.

I truly hope it is all big gains for them.

FDXLAG 06-07-2015 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r (Post 1897729)
Remember that many Pilots here at FedEx were angry when we got the Bridge contract in 2011 which was close to our amendable date.

Let's wait to see the Details of the Delta TA, i.e. Pay, work rules, benefits and Scope.

I truly hope it is all big gains for them.

Angry is a bit perjorative, perhaps one could say we had higher expectations or remarkable foresight. :rolleyes:

RedeyeAV8r 06-07-2015 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1897733)
Angry is a bit perjorative, perhaps one could say we had higher expectations or remarkable foresight. :rolleyes:


LAG, I was simply pointing out that......

many are now lauding Delta for Negotiating a TA before their Amendable date without actually knowing what they really achieved.

Also pointing out that our Last Deal here at FedEx was also signed at the Amendable Date.

Im not going to argue the Merits, as it doesn't matter at this point.
That being said, the Negotiating environment in 2011 was not nearly as good for us as it is now.

Hopefully the Delta Pilots achieved some big gains which can only
make our case better.

FDXLAG 06-07-2015 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r (Post 1897860)
LAG, I was simply pointing out that......

many are now lauding Delta for Negotiating a TA before their Amendable date without actually knowing what they really achieved.

Also pointing out that our Last Deal here at FedEx was also signed at the Amendable Date.

Im not going to argue the Merits, as it doesn't matter at this point.
Th being said, the Negotiating environment in 2011 was not nearly as good for us as it is now.

Hopefully the Delta Pilots achieved some big gains which can only
make our case better.

No problems, I was happy with timing of our interim deal, just underwhelmed with the content. So I certainly agree with the intent of your post and certainly hope or next deal rewards our patience.

RedeyeAV8r 06-07-2015 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1897870)
No problems, I was happy with timing of our interim deal, just underwhelmed with the content. So I certainly agree with the intent of your post and certainly hope or next deal rewards our patience.

Ditto mi amigo


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