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Czech Airman 12-23-2015 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Kougarok (Post 2033377)
Ahh but they might not to do it by themselves. Remember that express cargo airline that worked out of a cornfield in Ohio? Well the pieces are still around!
You mean the same one that alienated many of the hard working farmers that worked there to get medical benefits? Most of those guys left and Hete was left to bus in inner city "workers" from Cincy/Dayton/Columbus and theft at the sort went through the roof. Or do you remember the fiasco with Garcia Temporary Services that ABX hired to get "workers" to man the sort? They ended up getting busted and raided by ICE one night in ILN after ICE found out that the hundreds of illegals hired by Garcia and vetted by ABX were using just a handful of Social Security numbers.

Kougarok 12-23-2015 04:17 PM
Originally Posted by Rocket Bob (Post 2033404)
Seriously, you're delusional if you think Amazon Air can get all of the pieces in place to handle a few hundred million packages next Christmas. Give me a break, good luck finding enough sort employees in that cornfield. im not saying Amazon can't be a successful delivery company, just saying it's going to be a long process.
Tell you what I'll drag this thread up in exactly one year to talk about their progress.

Czech Airman 12-23-2015 04:31 PM
Originally Posted by Kougarok (Post 2033511)
Tell you what I'll drag this thread up in exactly one year to talk about their progress.
I know you ABX guys are hoping against all hope that Amazon buys ABX to form it's airline or at the very least signs up ABX to provide ACMI and/or CMI to Amazon while utilizing ILN as the sort location. It's the only way for you guys to get out from the clutches of DHL and what they did to you and ILN.

You have to remember that Amazon is doing this to lower it's cost and you guys are one of, if not the highest cost ACMI. The other DHL ACMIs will be courting Amazon heavily also. Would you be willing to take concessions in order to get the Amazon flying?

Almost There 12-23-2015 06:05 PM
Originally Posted by Czech Airman (Post 2033522)
I know you ABX guys are hoping against all hope that Amazon buys ABX to form it's airline or at the very least signs up ABX to provide ACMI and/or CMI to Amazon while utilizing ILN as the sort location. It's the only way for you guys to get out from the clutches of DHL and what they did to you and ILN.

You have to remember that Amazon is doing this to lower it's cost and you guys are one of, if not the highest cost ACMI. The other DHL ACMIs will be courting Amazon heavily also. Would you be willing to take concessions in order to get the Amazon flying?
Here's an idea. How about if none of the DHL ACMI carriers take any concessions!!

Kougarok 12-23-2015 06:22 PM
Originally Posted by Czech Airman (Post 2033522)
I know you ABX guys are hoping against all hope that Amazon buys ABX to form it's airline or at the very least signs up ABX to provide ACMI and/or CMI to Amazon while utilizing ILN as the sort location. It's the only way for you guys to get out from the clutches of DHL and what they did to you and ILN.

You have to remember that Amazon is doing this to lower it's cost and you guys are one of, if not the highest cost ACMI. The other DHL ACMIs will be courting Amazon heavily also. Would you be willing to take concessions in order to get the Amazon flying?
Not only no but hell no! And you get what you pay for.

Kougarok 12-23-2015 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by Czech Airman (Post 2033488)
You mean the same one that alienated many of the hard working farmers that worked there to get medical benefits? Most of those guys left and Hete was left to bus in inner city "workers" from Cincy/Dayton/Columbus and theft at the sort went through the roof. Or do you remember the fiasco with Garcia Temporary Services that ABX hired to get "workers" to man the sort? They ended up getting busted and raided by ICE one night in ILN after ICE found out that the hundreds of illegals hired by Garcia and vetted by ABX were using just a handful of Social Security numbers.
Actually not a lot of the farmers left. The sort just expanded so much that there wasn't enough of them. And I tell you what when Aerosmith started the test sort a few months ago there were plenty of local applicants.

I am not sure how important Wilimington is going to be to Amazon. The Wall Street article I read today indicated they're not that interested in having a traditional hub and spoke system.

BizPilot 12-24-2015 04:18 AM
I just heard on Bloomberg Business radio that Amazon has planes flying in Europe delivering packages.

FDXLAG 12-24-2015 04:57 AM
Originally Posted by BizPilot (Post 2033722)
I just heard on Bloomberg Business radio that Amazon has planes flying in Europe delivering packages.
They will never make any money that way, they should use vans.

atpcliff 12-24-2015 06:27 AM
In addition to being difficult to get the 767s, it will be difficult to find the pilots to crew them, unless whoever is sourcing the pilots pays top dollar.

ws6formula 12-24-2015 04:03 PM
I just heard that Amazon has canceled the flying out of Boeing Field with Northern Air Cargo as of January 15. Any news on the other flying?


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