ABX Air Hiring
04-22-2016 | 10:45 AM
#121
El Capitan
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- Guatemala City
- San Jose, Costa Rica
- Mexico City
If everything is going well and you've been in there before none of these airports present a particular problem. Throw in some weather, communication issues, deferred items, engine failure, etc. then it gets interesting!
And yeah those former naval Aviators....
04-22-2016 | 10:53 AM
#122
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For you guys completing the process. Interview-sim-drug test. They will then validate your data. U guys should get the word early in the week. 5 more positions to fill for May 7th class. You guys will b the first new hire class in 7 years. Congrats!
04-22-2016 | 03:19 PM
#125
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04-22-2016 | 04:23 PM
#126
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[QUOTE=motorclutch;2114182]
Referring just to your 600000 in 20 years.
Not exactly. Out of 30000, 10000 goes to Uncle Sam, and if 8000 goes against hotels and crash pads, we have 12000 left. That multiplied by 20 years adds to 240000. Taking in consideration the money value goes to crap year after year, 240000 now will be probably 40000-60000 in 20 years.
However, during this 20 years, you screw up your family, your health, and you end up just being an old fart with a bad attitude.
We have only one life, and our health and happiness is not worth all the money in the world. And if you are unlucky enough to have 2-3 marriages, due to the " wonderful" quality of night flying life style and bad moods created by it ( plenty seen here ), then .......don't even want to go there.
Also calling pilots, who pay their way there, pay for their own hotel and rental, who have a certain experience ( assuming you are not calling for interview 100 hours type ) a bunch of clowns just because you guys at ABX are pilots extraordinarie is not nice.
You could also end up being number one the seniority list if you're youngish. It's all a crapshoot and night flying isn't for everyone. I fly with Motorclutch a bit and he's actually easy to get along with. He just comes off as grumpy on here.
One of our line pilots concerns is all the new guys. We go into some challenging airports like Mexico City and Guatamala City. All of the FO's have 15+ years with the company except just a couple of guys. We're all pretty comfortable with each other. On the upside 3/4 of the FO's want to be captain and the current junior captains want to senior captains.
I wouldn't put too much stock into home basing. Having commuted for 20 years It's for sure not worth $30,000.
Kougarok is spot on. By your logic he's made an extra $600,000 by his ability to jumpseat. That kind of money can buy a lot of first class tickets. To another point: there is a huge training curve about to happen with new hires. Little if any have the standardization or skills of this pilot group ......so stand by for a wake up call if you come to ABX.
One of our line pilots concerns is all the new guys. We go into some challenging airports like Mexico City and Guatamala City. All of the FO's have 15+ years with the company except just a couple of guys. We're all pretty comfortable with each other. On the upside 3/4 of the FO's want to be captain and the current junior captains want to senior captains.
I wouldn't put too much stock into home basing. Having commuted for 20 years It's for sure not worth $30,000.
Kougarok is spot on. By your logic he's made an extra $600,000 by his ability to jumpseat. That kind of money can buy a lot of first class tickets. To another point: there is a huge training curve about to happen with new hires. Little if any have the standardization or skills of this pilot group ......so stand by for a wake up call if you come to ABX.
Referring just to your 600000 in 20 years.
Not exactly. Out of 30000, 10000 goes to Uncle Sam, and if 8000 goes against hotels and crash pads, we have 12000 left. That multiplied by 20 years adds to 240000. Taking in consideration the money value goes to crap year after year, 240000 now will be probably 40000-60000 in 20 years.
However, during this 20 years, you screw up your family, your health, and you end up just being an old fart with a bad attitude.
We have only one life, and our health and happiness is not worth all the money in the world. And if you are unlucky enough to have 2-3 marriages, due to the " wonderful" quality of night flying life style and bad moods created by it ( plenty seen here ), then .......don't even want to go there.
Also calling pilots, who pay their way there, pay for their own hotel and rental, who have a certain experience ( assuming you are not calling for interview 100 hours type ) a bunch of clowns just because you guys at ABX are pilots extraordinarie is not nice.
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04-22-2016 | 06:15 PM
#127
El Capitan
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[QUOTE=ME109G;2115001]
Referring just to your 600000 in 20 years.
Not exactly. Out of 30000, 10000 goes to Uncle Sam, and if 8000 goes against hotels and crash pads, we have 12000 left. That multiplied by 20 years adds to 240000. Taking in consideration the money value goes to crap year after year, 240000 now will be probably 40000-60000 in 20 years.
However, during this 20 years, you screw up your family, your health, and you end up just being an old fart with a bad attitude.
We have only one life, and our health and happiness is not worth all the money in the world. And if you are unlucky enough to have 2-3 marriages, due to the " wonderful" quality of night flying life style and bad moods created by it ( plenty seen here ), then .......don't even want to go there.
Also calling pilots, who pay their way there, pay for their own hotel and rental, who have a certain experience ( assuming you are not calling for interview 100 hours type ) a bunch of clowns just because you guys at ABX are pilots extraordinarie is not nice.
Home basing doesn't help that much with QOL. You still have to fly the airplane out to the West coast in the middle of the night. The thing I don't understand is for example the Atlas guys. They get done with work in CVG around 1-2 am and instead of jump seating home on us or Atlas they go to the hotel and commercial home later in the day. So you get home like 12 hours later after some F-d up commercial flight. How does this help family life?
Referring just to your 600000 in 20 years.
Not exactly. Out of 30000, 10000 goes to Uncle Sam, and if 8000 goes against hotels and crash pads, we have 12000 left. That multiplied by 20 years adds to 240000. Taking in consideration the money value goes to crap year after year, 240000 now will be probably 40000-60000 in 20 years.
However, during this 20 years, you screw up your family, your health, and you end up just being an old fart with a bad attitude.
We have only one life, and our health and happiness is not worth all the money in the world. And if you are unlucky enough to have 2-3 marriages, due to the " wonderful" quality of night flying life style and bad moods created by it ( plenty seen here ), then .......don't even want to go there.
Also calling pilots, who pay their way there, pay for their own hotel and rental, who have a certain experience ( assuming you are not calling for interview 100 hours type ) a bunch of clowns just because you guys at ABX are pilots extraordinarie is not nice.
04-22-2016 | 06:29 PM
#129
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[QUOTE=Kougarok;2115068]
Home basing doesn't help that much with QOL. You still have to fly the airplane out to the West coast in the middle of the night. The thing I don't understand is for example the Atlas guys. They get done with work in CVG around 1-2 am and instead of jump seating home on us or Atlas they go to the hotel and commercial home later in the day. So you get home like 12 hours later after some F-d up commercial flight. How does this help family life?
Or...
You live in base and get back at 1am, but wait, Atlas uses Z time so it's really 5/6am, so that's a work day, but home in bed by 2am local get a restful sleep and have the rest of your work day with family! Not to mention all the base layovers (per diem included) spent at home.
Home basing doesn't help that much with QOL. You still have to fly the airplane out to the West coast in the middle of the night. The thing I don't understand is for example the Atlas guys. They get done with work in CVG around 1-2 am and instead of jump seating home on us or Atlas they go to the hotel and commercial home later in the day. So you get home like 12 hours later after some F-d up commercial flight. How does this help family life?
You live in base and get back at 1am, but wait, Atlas uses Z time so it's really 5/6am, so that's a work day, but home in bed by 2am local get a restful sleep and have the rest of your work day with family! Not to mention all the base layovers (per diem included) spent at home.
04-23-2016 | 03:22 AM
#130
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Guys, I was asked in the interview about junior manning. Basically forced overtime. I have had to do forced overtime with every job I have ever had and in many cases forced overtime without extra pay. With that said, how many of those 14 days off a month will a new guy be working in December? Are we talking a couple of extra days or basically forget being home in December because of the overtime?
Also, can anyone post a typical line for a pilot?
How far along are the pilots in getting a new contract? Any details on a new contract?
Interview stuff part 2.0:
I did ask about ATI in my interview and whether the majority of the Amazon flying will go to them because they appear to have lower labor costs. Probably wasnt the smartest question to ask them because WTH do I know about ATSG's business model but I asked it anyways. It was on my mind because it only makes sense to give the flying to whoever can perform the job the cheapest. I dont want to go to ABX Air and watch ATI get all the growth. Basically, I was told that there is enough business for both companies, holding companies are the norm in aviation, and ATI's labor aren't necessarily lower because they have home basing. The interviewing folks were all super cool about the question but I am not sure I would ask anything about ATI if I had to do it all over again.
Here are the other interview questions I now remember:
1. What do you think about junior manning?
2. Tell me about a time you made a decision based on the facts and you should have used your emotions?
3. Tell me about a time when you ignored an SOP or checklist?
4. Tell me about a time you had a conflict with someone you worked with?
5. Tell me about a time you missed a flight or a deadline.
6. Tell me about a time you put something off?
7. Tell me how you organize upcoming events (or something like that)
8. Tell me about the airplane you are currently flying
9. Tell me about yourself
10. Why ABX Air?
11. Tell me your biggest pet peave?
12. Do I mind sitting right seat for a long time? (or something close to that)
Once again, I answered everything 100% honestly (even if it made me look stupid). I have a good job right now and I didn't see a need to BS anything. If I can get to the sim portion then so can anyone else.
Thanks a million.
Also, can anyone post a typical line for a pilot?
How far along are the pilots in getting a new contract? Any details on a new contract?
Interview stuff part 2.0:
I did ask about ATI in my interview and whether the majority of the Amazon flying will go to them because they appear to have lower labor costs. Probably wasnt the smartest question to ask them because WTH do I know about ATSG's business model but I asked it anyways. It was on my mind because it only makes sense to give the flying to whoever can perform the job the cheapest. I dont want to go to ABX Air and watch ATI get all the growth. Basically, I was told that there is enough business for both companies, holding companies are the norm in aviation, and ATI's labor aren't necessarily lower because they have home basing. The interviewing folks were all super cool about the question but I am not sure I would ask anything about ATI if I had to do it all over again.
Here are the other interview questions I now remember:
1. What do you think about junior manning?
2. Tell me about a time you made a decision based on the facts and you should have used your emotions?
3. Tell me about a time when you ignored an SOP or checklist?
4. Tell me about a time you had a conflict with someone you worked with?
5. Tell me about a time you missed a flight or a deadline.
6. Tell me about a time you put something off?
7. Tell me how you organize upcoming events (or something like that)
8. Tell me about the airplane you are currently flying
9. Tell me about yourself
10. Why ABX Air?
11. Tell me your biggest pet peave?
12. Do I mind sitting right seat for a long time? (or something close to that)
Once again, I answered everything 100% honestly (even if it made me look stupid). I have a good job right now and I didn't see a need to BS anything. If I can get to the sim portion then so can anyone else.
Thanks a million.
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