ABX Air Hiring
04-21-2016, 11:53 AM
#103
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
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Originally Posted by ME109G
Thank you my friend. The position was offered to me but I'm thinking to turn the offer down because:
1. Home base is huge for me. At least worth an extra 30000 an year
2. Only night flying seems to be unhealthy to people and creates bad moods to pilots, even unfriendly ( proved here )
3. You guys have spent too much time together, not hiring for 10 years or so, and got used to the smell of your own socks. That makes you guys grumpy and not friendly to new smells ( proved here )
4. It seems there is a continuous fight between ABX and ATI
5. If Amazon business goes away then all the recalled pilots and all the new hired will be back in streets.
I might be wrong and only time will tell.
1. Home base is huge for me. At least worth an extra 30000 an year
2. Only night flying seems to be unhealthy to people and creates bad moods to pilots, even unfriendly ( proved here )
3. You guys have spent too much time together, not hiring for 10 years or so, and got used to the smell of your own socks. That makes you guys grumpy and not friendly to new smells ( proved here )
4. It seems there is a continuous fight between ABX and ATI
5. If Amazon business goes away then all the recalled pilots and all the new hired will be back in streets.
I might be wrong and only time will tell.
04-21-2016, 12:30 PM
#104
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Joined APC: Feb 2016
Position: Enjoying the show
Posts: 296
Well I did a nice write up of today's interview but thanks to the CVG spotty wifi, I lost it when I hit the quick reply button. Guess I wasn't quick enough... I'll post it up here again shortly. All in all though, I felt it was a good day.
04-21-2016, 01:10 PM
#105
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So, I'll try this once more and this time I'll copy it in case the internet fails again. It will be shorter this time though as I'm losing my motivation to type on this iPad. Lol
Started off collecting your documents then bring you into the room. There, you will meet 3 individuals from HR and 1 from the flight department. They are all very nice and the whole session starts off with them saying that this process is new to them as well.
The feeling you get is that they are there to get to know you, your personality and your past. What you expect out of the future, etc... There are no tech questions and everything is TMAAT. A lot of TMAAT. I've been flying professionally for over 20 years. Mostly corp/135. I found it difficult to come up with a lot of answers for what they asked simply because I was very close friends with those who I flew with. So no drama. Also the planes I've flown have been all top notch, so no real safety issues to talk about.
I was able to come up with a few, thankfully and feel I answered well. You will get asked, "Why ABX and not a major?". I gave my reason. Not the normal career path choices and no degree were mine. I don't lie.
After getting to know you and your goals they bring you back out to the lobby. You wait there and if choosen to do the sim, they bring you there. You are given the profile to study for a few min before the check airman comes in and basically teaches you what's on the paper they gave you to study.
This sim portion is to see if your trainable and have instrument skills. That's it. I flew the DC8. WOW, that thing is old and does not turn well, but pretty cool non the less. Nothing happens fast in it. You have to sit close to the yolk to see the HSI. Amazing that people flew that thing on a regular basis. It was pretty fun to tell the truth. Like a mans plane!
The profile is Take Off, Steep Turns, Hold, VOR App to a miss to an ILS to land. Your in the right seat and the check airman in the left running the sim as well. Autopilot on twice just for briefing approaches. Everything else was raw data.
I was told I did a great job, sent to pee in a cup and waiting to hear back.
Started off collecting your documents then bring you into the room. There, you will meet 3 individuals from HR and 1 from the flight department. They are all very nice and the whole session starts off with them saying that this process is new to them as well.
The feeling you get is that they are there to get to know you, your personality and your past. What you expect out of the future, etc... There are no tech questions and everything is TMAAT. A lot of TMAAT. I've been flying professionally for over 20 years. Mostly corp/135. I found it difficult to come up with a lot of answers for what they asked simply because I was very close friends with those who I flew with. So no drama. Also the planes I've flown have been all top notch, so no real safety issues to talk about.
I was able to come up with a few, thankfully and feel I answered well. You will get asked, "Why ABX and not a major?". I gave my reason. Not the normal career path choices and no degree were mine. I don't lie.
After getting to know you and your goals they bring you back out to the lobby. You wait there and if choosen to do the sim, they bring you there. You are given the profile to study for a few min before the check airman comes in and basically teaches you what's on the paper they gave you to study.
This sim portion is to see if your trainable and have instrument skills. That's it. I flew the DC8. WOW, that thing is old and does not turn well, but pretty cool non the less. Nothing happens fast in it. You have to sit close to the yolk to see the HSI. Amazing that people flew that thing on a regular basis. It was pretty fun to tell the truth. Like a mans plane!
The profile is Take Off, Steep Turns, Hold, VOR App to a miss to an ILS to land. Your in the right seat and the check airman in the left running the sim as well. Autopilot on twice just for briefing approaches. Everything else was raw data.
I was told I did a great job, sent to pee in a cup and waiting to hear back.
04-21-2016, 01:47 PM
#107
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Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 49
Originally Posted by motorclutch
Bull**** flag.....5 interviews conducted. 1 position hired. Seems like the quality cut was a little shallow.
04-21-2016, 01:51 PM
#108
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 292
[QUOTE=motorclutch;2114182]
I miss the old days of the true Airborne Express, where the motto in flight standards was "When in doubt, wash them out".
Originally Posted by Kougarok
You could also end up being number one the seniority list if you're youngish. It's all a crapshoot and night flying isn't for everyone. I fly with Motorclutch a bit and he's actually easy to get along with. He just comes off as grumpy on here.
One of our line pilots concerns is all the new guys. We go into some challenging airports like Mexico City and Guatamala City. All of the FO's have 15+ years with the company except just a couple of guys. We're all pretty comfortable with each other. On the upside 3/4 of the FO's want to be captain and the current junior captains want to senior captains.
I wouldn't put too much stock into home basing. Having commuted for 20 years It's for sure not worth $30,000.
Kougarok is spot on. By your logic he's made an extra $600,000 by his ability to jumpseat. That kind of money can buy a lot of first class tickets. To another point: there is a huge training curve about to happen with new hires. Little if any have the standardization or skills of this pilot group ......so stand by for a wake up call if you come to ABX.
One of our line pilots concerns is all the new guys. We go into some challenging airports like Mexico City and Guatamala City. All of the FO's have 15+ years with the company except just a couple of guys. We're all pretty comfortable with each other. On the upside 3/4 of the FO's want to be captain and the current junior captains want to senior captains.
I wouldn't put too much stock into home basing. Having commuted for 20 years It's for sure not worth $30,000.
Kougarok is spot on. By your logic he's made an extra $600,000 by his ability to jumpseat. That kind of money can buy a lot of first class tickets. To another point: there is a huge training curve about to happen with new hires. Little if any have the standardization or skills of this pilot group ......so stand by for a wake up call if you come to ABX.
04-21-2016, 02:00 PM
#110
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Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 49
Originally Posted by motorclutch
Jason, proud of you. Your comments about the dc-8 are spot on. I felt the same way the first time I grabbed onto that hog. Good on ya. Best of luck.
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