To All UPS Flight Qualified Supervisors
02-11-2007 | 02:51 PM
#41
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To CashCow
1. There are many ways to have mgt. pilots join the IPA. One way is to send out cards. This might not happen, but if it does, it is one way to give us a choice.
2. As I said above, cards are one way of doing this. Another way is to "accrete" us.
3. A judge could be asked by the IPA to rule in favor of placing the mgt. pilots on the seniority list. If this happened, UPS would surely appeal any ruling.
2. As I said above, cards are one way of doing this. Another way is to "accrete" us.
3. A judge could be asked by the IPA to rule in favor of placing the mgt. pilots on the seniority list. If this happened, UPS would surely appeal any ruling.
02-11-2007 | 03:06 PM
#42
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1. What would a judge have to do with this? Do some reading here http://www.nmb.gov/helpdesk/helpdesk_jurisdiction.html
2. Appeal like they didn’t do after round two of the Dorsey case? It was Dorsey who sued UPS and that’s why it went to court and a judge was involved.
2. Appeal like they didn’t do after round two of the Dorsey case? It was Dorsey who sued UPS and that’s why it went to court and a judge was involved.
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02-11-2007 | 03:37 PM
#43
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From: MD11 FO
However, if the company does not address our pay issues, I would be willing to bet that a lot of Mgt. pilots would sign cards for a vote. We will find out very soon. I am told that the IPA is in the final stages of sending out a communication to Rick Barr informing him that an effort will be made to unionize Mgt. pilots.
I'm not a legal expert. Union cards or not, in the end, I believe this will be decided by the Courts in favor of the IPA. Guys like SEGATAKI are really going to take it in the shorts as they get bumped back to FO. Too bad! They jumped ahead of the line anyway!
02-11-2007 | 09:11 PM
#44
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Skip the strike breakers crap, we all know that the IPA is never going to strike. A 200 man reserve corp, not subject to contractual limitations is a much larger problem for our pilots and career progressions. I'm curious as to why you say it will never happen. Learned a long time ago never to say never.
02-11-2007 | 09:14 PM
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There isn't a thing these guys do that couldn't be handled cheaper and more efficently by a line pilot or an intern, with the exception of flying outside of the contract rules. That is why they exist in their current form.
02-11-2007 | 09:20 PM
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02-12-2007 | 06:43 AM
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There are 2 videoes on Airupsers - 1. 2006 in review, and 2. What to expect for 2007. It is this second one where they briefly talk about this issue. This second video was hard to find. It is on the same page as the first, but in the lower left corner. Don't know if it is still there.
02-12-2007 | 09:09 AM
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There are 2 videoes on Airupsers - 1. 2006 in review, and 2. What to expect for 2007. It is this second one where they briefly talk about this issue. This second video was hard to find. It is on the same page as the first, but in the lower left corner. Don't know if it is still there.
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