Any Purple Nuggets bidding the lower 48?
02-16-2007, 07:04 PM
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Jetjok,
Sorry, but I don't see the problem. I doubt many (or any) would chose to become FEs. If they chose to bid to another aircraft (or most likely, domicile) when their seniority allows, so be it. Isn't that what the rest of us do? Do you give new hire 727 S/Os crap for bidding other positions at their first opportunity? What's the difference?
Now, if they laterally move to Memphis, they might have a long wait. I don't think many of them will get to Memphis for 8-12 months after the bid is posted. That could easily add up to 1 1/2 - 2 years at ANC. Isn't that enough?
Anyway, I don't know why it would bother you if these guys bid out of ANC whenever they wanted. If they took the move package, that is a different story and the contract deals with that.
Sorry, but I don't see the problem. I doubt many (or any) would chose to become FEs. If they chose to bid to another aircraft (or most likely, domicile) when their seniority allows, so be it. Isn't that what the rest of us do? Do you give new hire 727 S/Os crap for bidding other positions at their first opportunity? What's the difference?
Now, if they laterally move to Memphis, they might have a long wait. I don't think many of them will get to Memphis for 8-12 months after the bid is posted. That could easily add up to 1 1/2 - 2 years at ANC. Isn't that enough?
Anyway, I don't know why it would bother you if these guys bid out of ANC whenever they wanted. If they took the move package, that is a different story and the contract deals with that.
02-16-2007, 07:55 PM
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Why the long wait to lateral?
If a PN is awarded a lateral bid to MEM, why would he have to wait 12 months to go? Is it because the company will hold them at ANC and replace them FIFO as their replacements get trained?
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02-17-2007, 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by nightfreight
"Sorry, but I don't see the problem. I doubt many (or any) would chose to become FEs. If they chose to bid to another aircraft (or most likely, domicile) when their seniority allows, so be it. Isn't that what the rest of us do? Do you give new hire 727 S/Os crap for bidding other positions at their first opportunity? What's the difference?
Now, if they laterally move to Memphis, they might have a long wait. I don't think many of them will get to Memphis for 8-12 months after the bid is posted. That could easily add up to 1 1/2 - 2 years at ANC. Isn't that enough?
Anyway, I don't know why it would bother you if these guys bid out of ANC whenever they wanted. If they took the move package, that is a different story and the contract deals with that."
[QUOTE=Some guy;119658
"Sorry, but I don't see the problem. I doubt many (or any) would chose to become FEs. If they chose to bid to another aircraft (or most likely, domicile) when their seniority allows, so be it. Isn't that what the rest of us do? Do you give new hire 727 S/Os crap for bidding other positions at their first opportunity? What's the difference?
Now, if they laterally move to Memphis, they might have a long wait. I don't think many of them will get to Memphis for 8-12 months after the bid is posted. That could easily add up to 1 1/2 - 2 years at ANC. Isn't that enough?
Anyway, I don't know why it would bother you if these guys bid out of ANC whenever they wanted. If they took the move package, that is a different story and the contract deals with that."
[QUOTE=Some guy;119658
If a PN is awarded a lateral bid to MEM, why would he have to wait 12 months to go? Is it because the company will hold them at ANC and replace them FIFO as their replacements get trained?
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02-17-2007, 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
Now that's what I'm talkin about. There should be some time whereby the company can recoup the monies spent on these guys, by having them fly the line. It's not about them coming back as s/o's (or to any other seat, for that matter.) That has nothing to do with it. It's about them getting in the door early, as compared to many others in the pool, and then, after being sent to the most expensive training course we have, to just leave as soon as they can, just doesn't seem right. A freeze or a year or two is exactly what the meteorologist ordered. IMHO.
The company can hire who they want and what order they want. Being in the "pool" is not necessarily a guarantee of employee, let alone a guarantee of FIFO to the line! Once on the line the former poolie has exactly the same rights as YOU under the contract! If the company wants to retain/recoup/freeze, what would the company be willing to give up elsewhere for that (not that they necessarily need to give up anything in light of the recent selling out of junior guys passover "rights" by ALPA.
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02-17-2007, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Huck
If this was a problem for the company, they would make the ANC lines more commutable....
Heck! Now if they went and did that we wouldn't need any of them there purple nuggets cause ANC wouldn't be so junior anymore. Kinda like a Catch 22. If you fix the problem then wasn't a problem in the first place
02-17-2007, 07:55 AM
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BTTT......
Many will bid lower 48 but there might be awhile before they get activiated ALTHOUGH stranger things have happened..... I would think, just based on sheer numbers, that most of them would be staying there for at least another yr or 1.5 yrs so the company can justify their "Purple nugget" experiment.
BTW, the VAST majority of the PN's DID NOT take the move package. In my bud's class of 16 (?) only one guy was actaully going to move to ANC. That could have changed and all of them may have moved there but I think it's about 1-3 per PN class that took the move package. Oh well......
Many will bid lower 48 but there might be awhile before they get activiated ALTHOUGH stranger things have happened..... I would think, just based on sheer numbers, that most of them would be staying there for at least another yr or 1.5 yrs so the company can justify their "Purple nugget" experiment.
BTW, the VAST majority of the PN's DID NOT take the move package. In my bud's class of 16 (?) only one guy was actaully going to move to ANC. That could have changed and all of them may have moved there but I think it's about 1-3 per PN class that took the move package. Oh well......
02-17-2007, 08:16 AM
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I chose ANC for the improved relative seniority and thought I'd bid to Mempho when able to hold better lines. Now that I can hold a line in any aircraft and any domicile I’m staying in ANC for the better quality of life. I think the PNs that have a relatively easy commute may feel the same way after looking at the trash lines they’d be holding elsewhere.
02-17-2007, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by KAFTKTA
I chose ANC for the improved relative seniority and thought I'd bid to Mempho when able to hold better lines. Now that I can hold a line in any aircraft and any domicile I’m staying in ANC for the better quality of life. I think the PNs that have a relatively easy commute may feel the same way after looking at the trash lines they’d be holding elsewhere.
If it works for you, great! Good on ya'! I would just think any PN thinking he can go to ANC and get back to the lower 48 w/i 1 yr of getting domiciled there is not being realiztic. We shall see.....
02-17-2007, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Some guy
If a PN is awarded a lateral bid to MEM, why would he have to wait 12 months to go? Is it because the company will hold them at ANC and replace them FIFO as their replacements get trained?
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