The richer they get... The stingier they get.

He was a netjets customer for a long time, then got his own G4. Part of the hangar contract at his home base was free lav service. So he told the pilots not to have it serviced on the road. Then they had a week long sit somewhere warm after a long trip with a full load of pax....

everybody said that deal wouldn’t last or end well.

767 vs 777
 

Are there any big differences between the fleets in terms of training??
I’ve heard (but just via people making idle comments; no real evidence) the 767 training (initial and recurrent) is “normal”, if that’s the right word. Whereas the 777 instructors are primarily former DC-10 guys who don’t understand the 777 is so ridiculously redundant they have to dream up these wacky scenarios for recurrent and pilots don’t really feel like they’ve learned anything- just survived..

again- just “talk” from the line but is there anything to that?
If they start running upgrade classes again I want to either stay where I am or switch, depending on if any of that is true…

So let me get this straight. The former DC10 guys on the 767 are better than the former DC10 guys on the 777?

? you tell me. ?

Stay on the B767

I think he’s referring to disabling systems to allow steep turns, stalls and other things that other 777 companies do not do in training or checking.

The FAA mandated extended envelope training, in coordination with Boeing updated procedures - requires disabling some features to accomplish this.

if there is an exemption to the above, I’m unaware

I am ok with it during training, not checking. Some airlines, especially ACMIs do it during checking on the 777 which I think is unnecessary and negative training.

as I recall, the 777 had an exemption for steep turns and stalls during a PC. That exemption changed a couple of years ago.

The only way to accomplish this on a PC is to disable protections.

maybe someone else can confirm.

The guys I checked with when we started were not doing it. That was well over a year ago. When I checked back yesterday, they said their program changed and they now do it in training, but not as a checking event.

I love how the CBS Sports reporter says that "nobody on the team is qualified to fly a Boeing 767-300", so they had to hire Eastern.

As if one of the coaches could fly a 763, everybody could just pile aboard and fly to a game. Is that how private aviation works with transport-category aircraft?

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Isn't one of these sitting in front of an Omni hangar right now, though?

It would be a non-event, event had they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. Now… as for the CBS Sports reporter… it’s obvious that he did not.

No idea about the triple (I never heard anything bad), but the 76 training was excellent. It was my first Boeing and I'm not exactly Chuck Yeager, and I got through with very little stress. Good instructors, good program all around, IMHO.

Well I checked into it and it would be almost $285 a month, more than my health care.

you mean the deal the union offered with an outside insurance carrier? Yeah, I agree. It was not practical.

then, our LTD is capped and even then doesn’t even cover loss of medical like most LCC, majors and legacy.

How's contract negotiations going?

company saying they want a deal, then doing everything they can to not actually get one.

Stay far away from any ATSG carrier. My concerns when they bought us have been realized.

Ford & Harrison

need I say more?

Hitting the big time
 

Guaranteed interview with Omni Air International


Alpine Air APC page updated with guaranteed Omni Air interview. Anyone know the details?

Check with Alpine air for specific requirements. A bunch of their guys have come over here.


Been trying to get main page updated for Omni but pre-PC training pay is $1500 a week ($6000 a month) and they updated their travel reimbursement to $500 to get to training.

ATSG 3rd quarter earnings call
 

Of course the reason ATSG stock is down another 5% is because of Omni Air. Our small profitable airline is the cause of all of ATSG’s problems.

I’m glad that one financial analyst during the question and answers saw right through the ATSG leadership and questioned their ability and experience to manage and grow the company. Bravo!

QOL update here at Omni
 

Recently offered a job w Omni. Sounds ok. Reading this stuff has me a little worried.

1. Hoping any new guys could chime in on ability to get split schedule.

2. Any pilots- how are things in general?
Since being bought sounds like it went downhill. All places have their issues, I get it. Is it that bad where 2 months in online Ill be hating life and just have to suffer 10 more?

3. Sounded like there may have been issues w training dept but resolved?

Thnx everyone. Fat Tony !!!!

As ACMI jobs go it's better than most overall (opinion). Compensation wise has taken a real beating as everybody else gets much better contracts, and even the OK QOL stuff now lags other carriers. There was no reason to leave just a few years ago. Nobody left for anything except a legacy where they could live in base. Nobody left to be a commuter again. After all the legacy and LCC raises guys were leaving in droves. That has slowed a bit over the holidays but will definately pick up again after new year. We even had guy that left for Direct Entry Regional Captain jobs because they'd be based at home at get full 121 longevity making it a $210k first year, plus a $100k sign-on bonus. A CP resigned and went to a regional management position, several senior check airmen and instructors went to LCC's.
There's lots of options right now. If you really want ACMI, I'd go to Atlas. We rarely break guarantee except for a few hard lines that get into the 70's. So plan on 64 hours.

Amerijet has a great contract pay wise, but how stable is the company? Eastern is taking DEC's, paying 200%, but again.... how stable is the job. So, you can definately go earn more elsewhere... but frankly, Omni has been doing this for 30 years, and they do it well. It's all PAX, no cargo currently.

If you are focused on ACMI and given the choice, I'd do Atlas. Currently, any LCC (except maybe Frontier, Allegiant & Sun Country) would be better than any ACMI, unless commuting is involved. Those other three are primarilly out and back day trips, so unless you live in base, life would be Hell. (Frontier is currently transitioning to the out and back model, so turnover from commuters leaving will pick up big time soon, and could mean a quicker upgrade if you live in one of their bases).

If you've got the minimums for Omni, then you've got the minimums for AA, Delta, United, Southwest, Jetblue, and Spirit. Any of those will be a much more productive career than Omni at this point. If you live in base, you can add Allegiant, Sun Country and Frontier to the list. The direct contributions to the 401k retirement alone are worth going. Upgrade at any of the legacies is under 2 years, and United just had a new hire class offered 737 upgrades in three bases while still in new hire training.

It's at the point that even I'm dusting off the resume. Running a spreadsheet on career earning potential using just basic estimates has the difference between here and even the cheapest LCC in the millions. With a legacy, the difference over the remaining career is just astronomical and is close to 10 million more than staying here. That's too much to leave on the table.... And this from a guy that never planned to leave.

All things considered, Atlas if you have to have ACMI, otherwise go to a legacy or LCC.

Thnx Cujo !! Im 135 background, not enough to qualify for direct entry capt regional. Any LCC is a commute except Spirit who just quit hiring. Reapplying to SWA in Dec and take it from there. Feeling Omini schedule and experience would be great for the resume if I screw up SWA interview again. Not liking the Atlas schedule w a small kid at home, at least Omni I have a chance of split schedule. Ive heard everyone switches to the longer schedule after a month or two but well see. I dont mind sleeping on an airline and being paid. Pay not really an issue, just experience bc you are right, no way you touch the retirement at a legcy. Much appreciated.

FT

Current upgrade award rate is .83 upgrades a month, for a 12 month average, correct? No upgrade awards since June?

Omni Air International
 

Was wondering if anybody reavlly know whats going on at Omni. Friends there say there have been several really senior Check Airman leaving and that management does really care.

Kinda of pis poor management looking in from the outsde. What is the hiring situation like, been told there is still a stink on them from the time they sent a new hire class home ater they started class.



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Yes, senior pilots including Checkairman are quitting because of new management leadership or lack of.

Yes, management DOESN'T care.

it's not just the senior pilots leaving. Every internal department has lost experienced people under the new mismanagement culture. Omni is a micromanaged dumpster fire that should be avoided at all costs.

The above is spot on. Emphasis on "new management or lack of"

Again my question is WHY ARE THE SENIOR GUYS LEAVING AND CHECK AIRMAN, this is ussually unheard of in the industry but its happening at Omni. Heavy Driver must be right totally mismanaged and guys are getting tired of it.
Whats the deal with the new Chief Pilot coming out of retirement there was nobody there that could have taken the Job, mmh must be a reason !

there are not always split schedules, and there aren't many of them. Lately splits of 12/5
and 13/4 have been showing up. Even saw 14/3 for December.
id be willing to bet the trip variety is better at Atlas actually. We had 32 FO lines for December in GenPop. A lot more than normal were splits this month. Few flights over xmass, so fewer reserve days over xmass.

if you have an Atlas interview, go there. We've given planes away the past few years while everybody else has been growing. Nuff said. Thats my advice.

Omni only had 10 days to replace the former CP that quit because of the previous mentioned leadership or lack there of. That's the regulation. DR tried to get an unqalifed applicant as the new CP but the FAA denied it. Rightfully so. Since that plan didn't workout in DR favor, he had to scramble to find a replacement or get a compliance letter from the FAA. So, he called a recent retired Omni pilot that just so happened to live near headquarters. That's called a convienacne.

What's wrong with Atlas split schedules? They go junior.

Whatever’s anyone’s opinion on how he got there, it should be said that new chief is a good chief.

Upgrades??
 

With so many captains leaving.... there are still no upgrade classes occurring, as far as I know.
Will there likely be some this coming year? If there aren't, I'm better off trying to get on with either Delta or United and getting a nearly-instant upgrade.

My guess is Omni is holding off until it is forced to go the street Captain path. Then the chosen one will bring in his boys from his past and the Instructor and Checkers will be training their replacements.

UPS let that lot into their training arena and from what I hear it didn't go well.

Would that be the sandbox saviors?

("At emirates, we did it like this, and it is the only way...")

The cartoon airline makes the idiots of the year awards again by todays events. This time the UNQUALIFIED INFILTRATOR moves up the ranks to run one of the most important departments in the company. DR really needs to be checked for early signs of dementia.

And advance symptoms of imcompetence, with high imbecility fever. Sadly those conditions are often contagious. They entire operation is in jeopardy.

What did he do?? Can it be mentioned on here ??!