Scheduled for IOE next week, five weeks out of sim.

When are the guys at Omni thinking about going out? Don't want to interview if a walk out is in the immediate future.

Just ask Jimmy T, he is proven example of your statement !!!

the mediation board has not even decided if there will be a cooling off period and then after that who knows what will happen

Hopefully never! Its like building a house. A lot gets done in the last two weeks before closing.

What airplane are you on?

I'd just take the interview and see where you stand. If nothing else, you'll probably get put in the pool for a while. There's a good chance a lot of this would be hashed out while you're swimming. Nobody wants a strike here.

sofar no classes announced for the 75/767 past July

Does that imply that only DC10 and 777 slots would be available for newhires? What is the cause?

no DC10 classes -- a few new hires on the 777 -- back log on OE
for the 757/767 -- when that clears up more hiring --

I wouldn't bypass a interview based on that. Your likely to be in the pool until it is all resolved anyways, and worse case scenario, if your hired, you say thanks but no thanks when your offered a class date if your nervous about the current status of negotiations at that point. But, whatever you do, don't just not show up for training and not tell anyone because your not happy with where things are with the union at that point, there is always someone else that would have loved to have been in that spot. I'm not saying you would do something like that, just general advise to anyone.

With that said, do you have a interview schedule? From what I can tell there have not been interviews since March. I'm sure some people would get very excited if they heard that interviews have started again. If not, you might be putting the cart in front of the horse. From what I have read here there are several very qualified people that have been trying to get a interview for quite some time. Either way, good luck too you.

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I'm expatting half way round the world, and would like to get closer to home. Appreciate your input Way2Broke... many thanks.

Omni pilots are NOT on strike. No harm can come from going to an interview or starting class.

I suspect it is possible a strike could happen down the road, but most likely an agreement will be reached before that happens. Nobody including the owner of the company wants to stop making money. Most likely they'll hash out something at the last minute. Until then we are all working and no harm can come from showing up at class.

Omni doesn't announce ANYTHING more than a few weeks out!!! So that doesn't mean anything at all.

Yes, upgrading is typically that quick. We have very few FOs who have been with the company more than 2 years. An FO hired with big airplane experience often upgrades within 6-12 months, and sometimes they upgrade right out of FO class. Some take a little longer if they need more experience.

We go everywhere on the planet, except Antarctica. Some places more than others, but if you stay here at least a year or two you'll get pretty much everywhere.

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I saw the payscale posted on this site, is that for the 767 and DC10? Is there a different scale for the 777?

same pay scale for all planes for now. The Union Contract will change that when we get one... eventually.

I'm not leaving my fleet just to chase pay, though, when that day comes.

Thanks for the update

I'm pretty sure this has been answered but I couldn't find it going through page by page. I got tired of looking at each one so I'll be lazy and just ask. They say you need a Windows based laptop. Has anyone in recent classes had a MAC or have any of you had class with anyone who has? I'm wondering if you can use the MAC or does it absolutely have to be a Windows?

didn't you quit your job a bit early to go to omni and now you're telling others not to do the same thing?

The aerosim is a windows based program. I have a mac and ran windows parallel and it worked.

It's good advice. Relax.

I know it's good advice. i gave way2broke the same advice 3 months ago. He basically said it didn't apply to him because of few different reasons which to me sounded like rationalizing a poor choice. Now he is giving the same advice. And unless I missed it on this same thread he still has yet to be assigned a class date.

I'm saying I would not quit your job based upon class date speculation from the internet. I would use what you are told from the company in order to make that choice, like I did. Although in my situation, the company changed their plan because when the 777 was brought online, they were forced to train new IOE Capts on the 75/76 because they lost a bunch of them to the 777. It was a wise business decision on their part to slow down the training, and it has the canidates best interest in mind. Face it, APC and other forums are full of bad information, although there is also lots of very useful information as well. Just reading the thread here I can now see some information that if not read in the right context could be misleading, albeit I believe it is being given with good intentions.

I enjoyed my time off and it gave me more than enough time to settle back into living in the states. I even got my boat going, spent some time on the lake, had a few camp fires, and started dating a new girl. I haven't been able to decompress like that, well, ever. It was great, I wish I could get paid to live that way. My time off did last about a month and a half longer than I expected, and I did spend about 1500 more bucks than expected, but since I am not currently paying rent, it really didn't hurt that bad.

Quitting a regional job where your based somewhere in the states a few weeks before you start at a new job is perfectly acceptable, but it is a completely different position to be in if you are working out of the country, and all your personal belongings, including material your going to need for training are buried in a storage bin that you have not opened more than a few times in the last couple of years. Oddly, there have been a few other folks that I have spoken with that were/are in much more extreme cases than I was. They were Ex-pating half way across the world and quit their jobs with the information they where given by the company. When the company gives you a time frame as to when you are starting, it is much different than reading it from a stranger on the internet. Things change, and while it may be a pain, or inconvenience, adapting to change is all part of the game. In this case, the rate of hiring changed, some people have taken other jobs, some are waiting, while some ended up on a 777 that they never expected. With that said, let me throw this out there, Omni still needs more pilots, heck, they need more everything, and if they were able to handle more people in the pipeline right now, there would be more people in it. If you are interested in Omni, don't give up, they need you! Be prepared to be flexible, in the hiring process, in training, and once your online. Things change here constantly, if you love diversity in your flying, this is the place to be. If you need a daily routine, you might want to look elsewhere.

To update you, I'm in class, hence why you don't see me posting here as much. I'm focused on getting my first heavy type rating right now, in fact, that is really my sole focus in life at the moment. Truth be told, I never posted on APC much, and really don't plan on being extremely active here in the future. It just happened that at the time APC had the most active Omni thread.

Lastly, I never meant for my posts to come off as crass or scalding towards you in regards to me quitting and taking a little time for myself. If you knew me personally, as some of the people posting here do, I think you would quickly realize that I would never demean someone for offering advice that is meant to help me. I would say that the same advice you gave me would be excellent advice in most situations, and I know you had my best intentions in mind. I appreciate that very much. Sorry for the long rant.

did you get the 777 or 767?

75/767. They are still teaching the 757 as the base aircraft, but that is likely to change soon. They are hand picking 777 candidates, and there are a few that interviewed after me that started before me. It's not the end of the world. The 75/76 would have been my first choice regardless, so I was excited to get that news! Although, I would have taken whatever equipment they would have assigned me. It is my understanding that all hiring going forward will be on the 75/76 or 777, with no planned DC-10 classes any time soon, but just like everything else, things change at Omni every minute. I'm thrilled to have this opportunity!!

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I heard Bob Zeng say specifically that a Type Rating is not valid until the LOFT is complete. It has nothing to do with IOE.

So, if you leave after a Type Ride without completing the LOFT, your Type Rating is NOT valid and should be pulled. Once the LOFT is finished however, the Type is yours forever. IOE has nothing to do with it. The FAA verified that statement in my presence.

Omni will not try to jerk you around for no reason. There is no point in that.

And why would you suggest anyone come here and then resign so quickly??? We don't need people who don't plan on sticking around for a couple years at minimum.

started class on Tuesday. HR gave two other class dates for the 76/75. Aug 9th and Sept 20th. Mentioned something about another 777 class but no hard date yet.

BlackBox, how many guys are in your class?

We have six 75/76 guys and we have three 77 new hires who are doing INDOC with us.

I heard Obama say that he was gonna close Gitmo within his first 6 months as president and Clinton say that he did not have sexual relations with that woman (he pointed his index finger and everything). I don't know what the OTM says, but there are a lot of people that have one idea and when in all actuality it's something different. In the Part 91 world (which trains the majority of commercial pilots theses days) you take a sim ride with a fed observing you get a shiny new certificate with a brand new type rating. No OE, no LOFT just a hardy handshake and you are legal to go fly your new equipment. (way it should be IMO) So with that mindset one would think, "oh I just had the FAA observe my sim ride in this airplane I studied so hard on and they won't be required to observe anything else until I upgrade to the left seat." Every training manual is different. If Joe Blow thinks he will complete class, do sims followed by an FAA observed sim ride PC with a type rating at the end, then they will be disappointed when they send in their resignation immediately there after with the previous assumption that the type is on their certificate.

I don't know how they do it, because the FAA wrote me a temporary on the spot followed my plastic certificate in the mail with the appropriate credentials on it before I even started OE, but it was after LOFT. A person coming here should find out what all is entailed with getting a type rating before wasting everybody's time as well as their own.

Yes, but many commercial airlines do not operate under Part 91. I really don't understand what the problem is. What's the big deal with your type not being valid until after the LOFT? I don't see a problem with it, unless of course someone is just going for a free type. And IMO that's low.

I agree with johnso29. I don't make the rules, but apparently a LOFT is required for a Type, and if it isn't complete the FAA is SUPPOSED to pull the type. They may not always do that, but they certainly have the right to do so.

If a person shows up to just get a free type rating, and then plans to bail immediately after, then I have ZERO respect for that person and they certainly deserve to have the type pulled. If they left for unforeseen circumstances then I understand and can forgive that, but that doesn't mean they get to keep the Type if the LOFT wasn't complete.

Omni isn't here to just hand out type ratings to people who don't plan on sticking around for a while.

Things have been awful quiet lately. Is the training backlog getting cleared out? Any chance of more classes being run in the near future?

There are rumors of interviews restarting in August and 60 or so hired by year's end.

Completely unsubstantiated, just heard from a guy who heard...

Yeah. Wasn't it your cousin's neighbor's fiance's former football coach's ex-wife?

What are the approximate times of the current guys getting hired?

Interviewed this week and was offered the job. The 2 other candidates were age 55+ and each had 10K+ TT with heavy time. I'm at 4000+ TT and 3000+ RJ SIC. (Never upgraded). The pool is almost dry and was told to expect an Aug/Sept 75/76 class. Good luck to all...