Omni Air Pilot Negotiations update
02-17-2018, 01:02 AM
#891
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Originally Posted by Screwed
We are not worried about "loosing" either airline!
The only airlines that should be in 1224 should be those that understand the concept of pattern bargaining and have the balls to do it!
Please go join ALPA if that is what you want and enjoy the ATI style contract they will get you!
The only airlines that should be in 1224 should be those that understand the concept of pattern bargaining and have the balls to do it!
Please go join ALPA if that is what you want and enjoy the ATI style contract they will get you!
Contractual improvements and fair compensation, as determined by the collective working under said collective bargaining agreement, are a good thing. Attempting to force your employer out of business in the name of "the greater good" is asinine at best.
Let's hope both sides can get away from one-upmanship in a few days and get us something to vote on.
02-17-2018, 05:27 AM
#892
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Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 198
Originally Posted by aviatorhi
How is it that such an extremely conservative demographic embraces such extreme Marxist viewpoints and totally loses sight of the fact that endless pattern bargaining managed to turn Detroit and most of Michigan into a pile of rust?
Contractual improvements and fair compensation, as determined by the collective working under said collective bargaining agreement, are a good thing. Attempting to force your employer out of business in the name of "the greater good" is asinine at best.
Let's hope both sides can get away from one-upmanship in a few days and get us something to vote on.
Contractual improvements and fair compensation, as determined by the collective working under said collective bargaining agreement, are a good thing. Attempting to force your employer out of business in the name of "the greater good" is asinine at best.
Let's hope both sides can get away from one-upmanship in a few days and get us something to vote on.
Or Delta, UAL, AA and others.
How the hell is pattern bargaining Marxist? WTH are you babbling about?
As for Detroit going to hell.....it is because the quality of the product went down while other countries made tremendous gains in quality.
As for forcing employers out of business.....are you claiming that pilot groups with good contracts are forcing their employer out of business?
Who would that be? UPS FedEx Delta UAL AA SWA? Which one(s)?
02-17-2018, 07:24 AM
#893
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: Part 121, 135 & Military background
Posts: 379
Originally Posted by Screwed
For all those tin foil hat wearing anti 1224, anti Atlas Pilots, anti DW
conspiracy theorists........
K4 pilots have demonstrated exactly how to join ALPA with a minimum of fuss and a good amount professionalism.
If you truly believe 1224 is preventing you from getting your new contract then the ALPA door is wide open.
As you can see, nobody at 1224 even tried to keep the unhappy K4 pilots from having the representation they want!
conspiracy theorists........
K4 pilots have demonstrated exactly how to join ALPA with a minimum of fuss and a good amount professionalism.
If you truly believe 1224 is preventing you from getting your new contract then the ALPA door is wide open.
As you can see, nobody at 1224 even tried to keep the unhappy K4 pilots from having the representation they want!
Is it even possible for you to try and make a point without hurling insults at people? ( that's rhetorical, of course).
You say that some (you have named them in the past including me) are liars, Stooges, ignorant, and now of course, donning tinfoil hats all because we have voiced a concern that 1224 is forcing us to carry water for other carriers for items that we did not even want to negotiate for.
You decry us LIARS for even suggesting that and in the same breath, lecture us on the need for "Pattern Based Bargaing".
The great irony here is that you are completely obtuse to the paradoxical nature of these assertions!
Your CONSTANT presence here, representing the will of 1224 gives credence to our concern, not your denial of it!!
I will not pretend to understand what deep-seeded emotional scar you carry that compels you to CONSTANTLY get on a website (string) designed for pilots of one company (of which you are not employed) and bash, ridicule, admonish and/or imply that you are the keeper of some great knowledge that none of us possess.
Let me make it crystal clear.
You are not the keeper of greater wisdom.
You do not possess an understanding the rest of us don't.
You are just one guy with an opinion and a Tourette's based need to voice that opinion over and over and over...
The simple fact is, you are influencing no one at Omni. In fact, your constant presence regurgitating 1224 propaganda, the childish and insulting way that you choose to communicate with people is doing harm to the very cause you believe you are trying to promote.
Finally, I find it curious that in one of your recent post, YOU refer to 1224 as WE.
Why don't you be honest? Just come clean- Who are you and what is your REAL AGENDA?
Since I know that is confusing for you, I'll give you an Example:
My name is Scott Thompson
I'm a line holding First Officer at Omni
I hold no Union Position in my pilot group nor at the 1224 level.
I am in "good standing" with my current union as i was for 17 years at ALPA. I have been a professional pilot for 28 years. My knowledge, experience and understanding of the for mentioned topics is commensurate with that history.
So, now it's your turn; Put up or please, PLEASE shut up.
02-17-2018, 08:18 AM
#894
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Posts: 279
Great post, but asking it to be civil or be quiet is like watering a weed. Starve it of attention and it will shrivel up and go away.
02-17-2018, 09:52 AM
#895
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 36
Originally Posted by aviatorhi
How is it that such an extremely conservative demographic embraces such extreme Marxist viewpoints and totally loses sight of the fact that endless pattern bargaining managed to turn Detroit and most of Michigan into a pile of rust?
Contractual improvements and fair compensation, as determined by the collective working under said collective bargaining agreement, are a good thing. Attempting to force your employer out of business in the name of "the greater good" is asinine at best.
Let's hope both sides can get away from one-upmanship in a few days and get us something to vote on.
Contractual improvements and fair compensation, as determined by the collective working under said collective bargaining agreement, are a good thing. Attempting to force your employer out of business in the name of "the greater good" is asinine at best.
Let's hope both sides can get away from one-upmanship in a few days and get us something to vote on.
02-17-2018, 09:56 AM
#896
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 36
Originally Posted by stickwiggler
You just can't help yourself, can you?
Is it even possible for you to try and make a point without hurling insults at people? ( that's rhetorical, of course).
You say that some (you have named them in the past including me) are liars, Stooges, ignorant, and now of course, donning tinfoil hats all because we have voiced a concern that 1224 is forcing us to carry water for other carriers for items that we did not even want to negotiate for.
You decry us LIARS for even suggesting that and in the same breath, lecture us on the need for "Pattern Based Bargaing".
The great irony here is that you are completely obtuse to the paradoxical nature of these assertions!
Your CONSTANT presence here, representing the will of 1224 gives credence to our concern, not your denial of it!!
I will not pretend to understand what deep-seeded emotional scar you carry that compels you to CONSTANTLY get on a website (string) designed for pilots of one company (of which you are not employed) and bash, ridicule, admonish and/or imply that you are the keeper of some great knowledge that none of us possess.
Let me make it crystal clear.
You are not the keeper of greater wisdom.
You do not possess an understanding the rest of us don't.
You are just one guy with an opinion and a Tourette's based need to voice that opinion over and over and over...
The simple fact is, you are influencing no one at Omni. In fact, your constant presence regurgitating 1224 propaganda, the childish and insulting way that you choose to communicate with people is doing harm to the very cause you believe you are trying to promote.
Finally, I find it curious that in one of your recent post, YOU refer to 1224 as WE.
Why don't you be honest? Just come clean- Who are you and what is your REAL AGENDA?
Since I know that is confusing for you, I'll give you an Example:
My name is Scott Thompson
I'm a line holding First Officer at Omni
I hold no Union Position in my pilot group nor at the 1224 level.
I am in "good standing" with my current union as i was for 17 years at ALPA. I have been a professional pilot for 28 years. My knowledge, experience and understanding of the for mentioned topics is commensurate with that history.
So, now it's your turn; Put up or please, PLEASE shut up.
Is it even possible for you to try and make a point without hurling insults at people? ( that's rhetorical, of course).
You say that some (you have named them in the past including me) are liars, Stooges, ignorant, and now of course, donning tinfoil hats all because we have voiced a concern that 1224 is forcing us to carry water for other carriers for items that we did not even want to negotiate for.
You decry us LIARS for even suggesting that and in the same breath, lecture us on the need for "Pattern Based Bargaing".
The great irony here is that you are completely obtuse to the paradoxical nature of these assertions!
Your CONSTANT presence here, representing the will of 1224 gives credence to our concern, not your denial of it!!
I will not pretend to understand what deep-seeded emotional scar you carry that compels you to CONSTANTLY get on a website (string) designed for pilots of one company (of which you are not employed) and bash, ridicule, admonish and/or imply that you are the keeper of some great knowledge that none of us possess.
Let me make it crystal clear.
You are not the keeper of greater wisdom.
You do not possess an understanding the rest of us don't.
You are just one guy with an opinion and a Tourette's based need to voice that opinion over and over and over...
The simple fact is, you are influencing no one at Omni. In fact, your constant presence regurgitating 1224 propaganda, the childish and insulting way that you choose to communicate with people is doing harm to the very cause you believe you are trying to promote.
Finally, I find it curious that in one of your recent post, YOU refer to 1224 as WE.
Why don't you be honest? Just come clean- Who are you and what is your REAL AGENDA?
Since I know that is confusing for you, I'll give you an Example:
My name is Scott Thompson
I'm a line holding First Officer at Omni
I hold no Union Position in my pilot group nor at the 1224 level.
I am in "good standing" with my current union as i was for 17 years at ALPA. I have been a professional pilot for 28 years. My knowledge, experience and understanding of the for mentioned topics is commensurate with that history.
So, now it's your turn; Put up or please, PLEASE shut up.
And his continued reference to We and his post on the Atlas threads proves he is an Atlas guy and always refers to We when references the 1224 which shows all of us who controls the 1224.
02-17-2018, 11:22 AM
#897
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 306
Originally Posted by stickwiggler
You just can't help yourself, can you?
Is it even possible for you to try and make a point without hurling insults at people? ( that's rhetorical, of course).
You say that some (you have named them in the past including me) are liars, Stooges, ignorant, and now of course, donning tinfoil hats all because we have voiced a concern that 1224 is forcing us to carry water for other carriers for items that we did not even want to negotiate for.
You decry us LIARS for even suggesting that and in the same breath, lecture us on the need for "Pattern Based Bargaing".
The great irony here is that you are completely obtuse to the paradoxical nature of these assertions!
Your CONSTANT presence here, representing the will of 1224 gives credence to our concern, not your denial of it!!
I will not pretend to understand what deep-seeded emotional scar you carry that compels you to CONSTANTLY get on a website (string) designed for pilots of one company (of which you are not employed) and bash, ridicule, admonish and/or imply that you are the keeper of some great knowledge that none of us possess.
Let me make it crystal clear.
You are not the keeper of greater wisdom.
You do not possess an understanding the rest of us don't.
You are just one guy with an opinion and a Tourette's based need to voice that opinion over and over and over...
The simple fact is, you are influencing no one at Omni. In fact, your constant presence regurgitating 1224 propaganda, the childish and insulting way that you choose to communicate with people is doing harm to the very cause you believe you are trying to promote.
Finally, I find it curious that in one of your recent post, YOU refer to 1224 as WE.
Why don't you be honest? Just come clean- Who are you and what is your REAL AGENDA?
Since I know that is confusing for you, I'll give you an Example:
My name is Scott Thompson
I'm a line holding First Officer at Omni
I hold no Union Position in my pilot group nor at the 1224 level.
I am in "good standing" with my current union as i was for 17 years at ALPA. I have been a professional pilot for 28 years. My knowledge, experience and understanding of the for mentioned topics is commensurate with that history.
So, now it's your turn; Put up or please, PLEASE shut up.
Is it even possible for you to try and make a point without hurling insults at people? ( that's rhetorical, of course).
You say that some (you have named them in the past including me) are liars, Stooges, ignorant, and now of course, donning tinfoil hats all because we have voiced a concern that 1224 is forcing us to carry water for other carriers for items that we did not even want to negotiate for.
You decry us LIARS for even suggesting that and in the same breath, lecture us on the need for "Pattern Based Bargaing".
The great irony here is that you are completely obtuse to the paradoxical nature of these assertions!
Your CONSTANT presence here, representing the will of 1224 gives credence to our concern, not your denial of it!!
I will not pretend to understand what deep-seeded emotional scar you carry that compels you to CONSTANTLY get on a website (string) designed for pilots of one company (of which you are not employed) and bash, ridicule, admonish and/or imply that you are the keeper of some great knowledge that none of us possess.
Let me make it crystal clear.
You are not the keeper of greater wisdom.
You do not possess an understanding the rest of us don't.
You are just one guy with an opinion and a Tourette's based need to voice that opinion over and over and over...
The simple fact is, you are influencing no one at Omni. In fact, your constant presence regurgitating 1224 propaganda, the childish and insulting way that you choose to communicate with people is doing harm to the very cause you believe you are trying to promote.
Finally, I find it curious that in one of your recent post, YOU refer to 1224 as WE.
Why don't you be honest? Just come clean- Who are you and what is your REAL AGENDA?
Since I know that is confusing for you, I'll give you an Example:
My name is Scott Thompson
I'm a line holding First Officer at Omni
I hold no Union Position in my pilot group nor at the 1224 level.
I am in "good standing" with my current union as i was for 17 years at ALPA. I have been a professional pilot for 28 years. My knowledge, experience and understanding of the for mentioned topics is commensurate with that history.
So, now it's your turn; Put up or please, PLEASE shut up.
I will post my real name as soon as EVERYONE of you post yours first.
Never hid the fact that I am an Atlas pilot.
I hold no union position with 1224.
When I was a member of ALPA for 18 years I did hold a union position for 14 of them.
As far as my so called attacks on poor Omni pilots....I am just defending Atlas pilots, D.W. and 1224. I did not start posting here until the lies and attacks by Omni pilots began. Sorry you don't get a free pass to attack, lie and malign any Atlas pilot or Teamster official.
As far as Rosebud 10 is concerned.....keep up the threat of physical violence. Just goes to show your mentality and that of your friends that post here.
02-17-2018, 12:01 PM
#898
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 67
Screwed: “I’m only here defending Atlas, DW, and 1224....”. Yes we know. Many of us understand that completely. Thank you for yet again proving the point I have been making for a lonnng time.
747 died. The record shows why that happened.
K4 just left. The record shows why that happened.
Some things never change. “Atlas”. Thanks again Screwed for proving it.
747 died. The record shows why that happened.
K4 just left. The record shows why that happened.
Some things never change. “Atlas”. Thanks again Screwed for proving it.
02-17-2018, 12:03 PM
#899
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 67
Outstanding post Scott T. Outstanding!!
02-17-2018, 01:26 PM
#900
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: Part 121, 135 & Military background
Posts: 379
Originally Posted by Screwed
I will post my real name as soon as EVERYONE of you post yours first.
As far as my so called attacks on poor Omni pilots....I am just defending Atlas pilots, D.W. and 1224. I did not start posting here until the lies and attacks by Omni pilots began. Sorry you don't get a free pass to attack, lie and malign any Atlas pilot or Teamster official.
e.
As far as my so called attacks on poor Omni pilots....I am just defending Atlas pilots, D.W. and 1224. I did not start posting here until the lies and attacks by Omni pilots began. Sorry you don't get a free pass to attack, lie and malign any Atlas pilot or Teamster official.
e.
But, this pretty much went the way we all thought... your bravado exist only when you can hide behind anonymity.
You sir, are a coward and a stain on the Atlas pilot group.
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