Ducksaucelover

Guess United is trying to consolidate its regionals to their exclusive carriers in order to have more control over them. I guess the whole Skywest jumpseat fiasco left a bitter taste in their mouth and opened their eyes.

falconkidding

Lol consolidate by giving skw more flying and more 175s.... Consolidate by reducing airframes operated by uax exclusive operators. Getting rid of their biggest uax exclusive operator...

Hawker445

lmao.

That jumpseat fiasco was manufactured entirely by their ALPA MEC. Management couldn’t care less, most UAL pilots know this, the only ones that are sour are some alpa rep or someone that got screwed in the past..and mgmt was getting ****ed at ualpa had to step in and fix it.

(Republic did the same thing we did)

Kirby isn’t interested in buying/financing more airplanes. The 50 seat market is nearly dead and theres nothing to replace it with. Skywest is the only one with the pockets deep enough to buy and own their aircraft. UAL won’t hesitate to take the route to the guy that can do it cheaper with out having to worry about staffing and still be on top.

LAXtoDEN

I’m currently on the 175 at OO. We are understaffed in SFO on the 175 FO side. We have plenty of 175 men and women in overstaffed bases, but as expected nobody has the desire to commute or live in SFO.

I’m shocked anyone would be excited for an SFO base. To live in a box right outside the airport will run you around $1,500 a month. Let me put it this way, your CA’s would struggle to stay out of poverty living in SFO on your current pale scale. Now you could always commute, but that’s not desired by any sane individual.

SFO is United’s most junior base for a reason. From a conversation with a UA jumpseater It’s my understanding the majority of new hires commute to base.

Hawker445

Just opening a base in SFO alone and compete with us would probably bankrupt C5.

Claxstarr

Thanks for the good laugh this morning!

Let’s war game this. United comes out with a policy saying they’re going to consolidate all UAX flying to their exclusive carriers.

Whiskey flies 64 RJ200’s with 500 pilots
CommuteAir flies 38 E145’s with <500 pilots
GoJet flies like 54 550’s with <600 pilots.

***For the sake of your fantasy argument, let’s say AA removes the remaining Mesa CRJ flying (which was just reduced and AA will probably take another 20 out soon) and UA offers Mesa a spot at the “exclusive UAX” table.***
So now..
Mesa flies 76 E175’s. (46 UA owned) with 1400 pilots
Mesa flies 20 RJ700s (these are going away 1:1 when the remaining 46 UA owned 175’s come online)

Republic flies 66 E175’s (13 UA owned) with 2500 pilots (Approx 30% of YX’s fleet)
SkyWest flies 90 175’s (25 UA owned but I think OO is taking ownership of these 25 as well) + 19 RJ700’s + 143 RJ200’s
... with 5300 pilots. (Approx. 30% of OO’s fleet not including the planes all leased out by SkyWest Inc. (550’s etc) )

Alsoooo SkyWest is still taking delivery of more than 100 E175’s over the next 2 years.

For historical info... About 18 months ago when UA kicked off 50 OO owned, they came back 2 months later begging to have them back, but by that time they were already contracted to AA.

**Now remember that SkyWest just bought all of the RJ550’s that GoJet/UA flies so SkyWest essentially owns GoJet’s entire fleet of 550’s

**Let’s also remember that UA/ManaAir still has not paid SkyWest $35 million for the sale of ExpressJet

**Let’s also remember that UA still has a multi-hundred million dollar loan outstanding with SkyWest Inc.


So now after all that.. let’s continue to wargame.
UA kicks YX and OO to the curb in order to consolidate all flying to UAX exclusive partners.

I can guarantee that SkyWest Inc. would take back every single 550 from G7 as a consequence for UA cutting all flying from OO.
This would immediately cause G7 to be out of business overnight with all 600 pilots on the street.
SkyWest Inc. would undoubtedly immediately call the $200+ million and $35 million debt of UA.

That leaves UA with a grand total of 64 200’s, 38 145’s, and 89 175’s with a combined 2400 pilots to fly their entire UAX system.
That’s 190 planes and 2400 pilots to cover all the UAX flying.

They would have removed 360 planes and 3500 pilots from their UAX System.

So.... I really doubt that UA is going to remove 65% of their UAX fleet to “consolidate”.

Claxstarr

Also forgot to mention that a large portion of OO’s -200 flying is EAS routes that Skywest owns, not UA.
That would RUIN UA’s feeder route structure for its hubs.
I’m sure DL/AA/AS/WN would love to pick up those gates/routes and put them under their banners.

amcnd

yes. All the weird rules.. company has to pay for your health care, you get California FMLA. Better rules. More cost for the company.. Company paid expensive parking, list goes on and on.. I'm shocked OO still has a base there and doesn’t shift it to out station bases...

gearup1006

Commut Air has 55 aircraft flying now and 168 leased,

LAXtoDEN

The boys out in St. George love making examples of the bold who seem to forget their territory and place. It only seems to benefit our pilot group in end. So if they want to try the venture all power to them.