Originally Posted by dovic91

It's more than just the pay that makes C5 undesirable! While the pay rates are published online, pilots and flight attendants don't get to experience the full suckiness of the company until they actually get online. The work rules are just flat out ridiculous. Reserves sit airport reserve every single day (8 hour sit/4 hours pay), because the company can't figure out how to efficiently use them. The contract has loop holes so wide you could fly an airplane through them. And the company knows and exploits those loopholes every single day. Maybe the worst part in the whole mess is that the MEC lets the company get away violating the contract on a daily basis. To say they are weak and ineffective would be an understatement. Maybe things will change as more people with previous 121 experience are eligible to vote on the upcoming contract. The previous pilot group sold out and ratified a very sub standard contract (pay and work rules) years ago to get the jets on property. But then again, judging by the pace of contract negotiations, 145s and C5 itself may be gone by the time there is anything to vote on!

Originally Posted by Earthboundmsfit

Absolutely agree. Just look at the number of NH’s in November compared to July. One class in Nov had just TWO in it. Seniority list shrank by 30 or 40 in Dec vs Nov too.

Honestly I cannot encourage anyone to come here until we get at least an industry standard contract with work rules and not just pay. Let’s hope with more and more Xjet guys reaching their 1 year mark that that also puts pressure on the company.

Originally Posted by Earthboundmsfit

…. Let’s hope with more and more Xjet guys reaching their 1 year mark that that also puts pressure on the company.

Originally Posted by TFAYD

500 total planes

of those

100 UA mainline fleet replacement

200 UA mainline growth

200 UAX 50 seat fleet replacement

so we are looking at 400 aircraft for UA “mainline growth” from a mainline jobs perspective

Originally Posted by Pilotchute

When a call for volunteers went out for FO rep (deputy MEC), only one person nominated themselves and then only 20% of eligible voters actually cast a vote.

You are the architects of your own situation.

Originally Posted by jacburn

I have been pushing that for years. We did get a couple of good turnouts in the past, but most of the time the pilots just don't care about voting.

The company sees that same numbers and knows that pilots also won't care about the next poor contract that they push out to the membership. It looks like the pilots are too busy to vote, so they will too busy to care that they don't get a decent contract as well.

Originally Posted by cornerpocket

As an outsider looking in, this seems disheartening. It would be helpful to know why people are not taking the time to vote if a portion of their paycheck goes to the union.

Originally Posted by ZeroTT

weak regional unions have a nearly impossible task. It’s easy to get discouraged

Originally Posted by ninerdriver

Fixed it for you.