Jeff90

we were at home waiting on sims, we were scheduled for oral but the examiner cancelled due to illness, then Covid furloughs started to be announced etc, ground school had been completed

jacburn

Plan on an extended Recurrent class in the near future followed by sims. Possible SIT class if you need to take the oral again if it has expired.

C5 wants to make sure everyone in the system is set up for success so they will back you up with ground school to make sure you can move forward again. The upgrades and those on new hire IOE are redoing some sims to make sure they are up to speed before proceeding as well.

domino

gonna be an awfully long train ride with no majors hiring for a long time.

CRJJ

Spreading love and optimism as usual my friend?

domino

I try to be optimistic but we all know this is a 10 year thing? My question for you is why are you following me around trolling me? Is this how you are going to be spending your time on furlough?? Sad.

arnoldaj74

Realistically what is the first year pay for a new hire at C5? I read on the C5 profile that a first year FO can make up to $74,000...I am assuming that this is an unreasonable expectation at the moment. It would be more reasonable to expect $37.46/hr x 75/MMG correct?

I am an 8 year ExpressJet CA recently displaced to FO. Most likely I will be furloughed come October 1st. I want to keep flying and I am trying to have a positive attitude. I filled out the C5 application but I am hesitant to click submit. I cannot maintain my current standard of living on first year FO pay at C5 and I would have to make some serious sacrifices. The pay would be roughly equivalent to what I will make on unemployment if what I said above is true.

Group W Bench

You are correct, $37.46x75/mmg is what you should expect. However depending on the actual number of aircraft they are staffing by the time you are off IOE, you maybe able to leap frog 75% of their FO’s who dont have 1000hrs 121 time for a CA slot.

pangolin

Dude. Get on a Seniority list. Many more will come under you and upgrade won't be far away. This thing will turn around, but XJT is done - move on. You want IAH come to Mesa - it's not going anywhere. Get in the pool now - get a seniority number. It's the key. You can keep looking in the mean time.

tallpilot

Not that it changes your calculus but just so anyone searching this thread can have accurate numbers it is $38.02/hr until December 1 when it becomes $38.59.

I was in your shoes once and after several months of unemployment found a job at less than half what I was making before. I filed bankruptcy and it was not a fun time.

As I wrote in another 'furlough advice' thread: 1. Unemployment isn't forever so it is unwise to compare it to a salary. 2. You do not have any decisions to make until you receive a job offer. 3. Optimized decision making suggests you should apply to every job you see posted from CEO to third shift janitor and take the highest paying one offered.

Only you can decide the opportunity cost of remaining current by taking a lower paying flying job or remaining solvent by taking a higher paying non-flying job. A Hobson's choice if ever there was one.

For my part I hope one of the cargo carriers hires you. None of this is your fault.

jacburn

Group Bench and TallPilot are spot on.

I went through the '08 furlough and unemployment runs out faster than most realize. I did the Home Depot thing and made more money than I was making at XJT on first year pay ($23/hour at XJT at the time). When I went back to XJT, second year pay kicked in and I again got a pay raise.

C5 pay of 38.57 X 75 ($2893) is more than the Home Depot pay of $15 X 40 X 4 ($2400) (if you can get $15 and there are no discounts either) or unemployment at $521/week ($2084) I am not including the extra $300 because states are now refusing it. If the state does throw it in, then unemployment will pay more for a few months but it does not include any type of benefits like medical which is expensive on your own.