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07-07-2021 | 11:29 PM
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They’ve been more reliable for me. A 737 can land in visibility that makes a rj divert. I sat in a CRJ in DEN following sim training waiting out a snow storm while SWA and United were able to depart. They aren’t frequently delayed for crew rest (this one is SkyWest fault and not the aircraft because they schedule min rest overnights and don’t have a pad if the crew gets in a little behind). When ATC starts restricting arrivals, the small rj’s are the first to get cut, while the 737 gets to go. On a recent commute I got to work because I went on SWA departing about the same time. There were thunderstorms affecting flow and all of the United 50 seat rj’s were severely delayed and I wouldn’t have made it if I relied on United. Southwest isn’t without their faults, but they’re more reliable than tired old 50 seaters when things go south.
With all your vast experience you should realize that UA gives all the good slot times to the mainline aircraft causing "all of the United 50 seat rj's to be severely delayed".
07-08-2021 | 10:33 PM
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I understand how the system works. My beef is with the equipment that United has chosen to use on routes that are not very small markets. Not only are they uncomfortable, they contribute to system delays due to the higher number of slots that they have to use to move the same number of people as larger aircraft. Without exception the crews have been fantastic and do a great job with limited resources, but they can only do so much. We were delayed again on my current trip due to maintenance. I’m actually shocked the 50 seaters have held up as well as they have. They have been through countless cycles. The reliability is going down, demand is increasing, and it’s just time to replace the bulk of those planes with newer and larger aircraft.
07-09-2021 | 01:32 PM
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I understand how the system works. My beef is with the equipment that United has chosen to use on routes that are not very small markets. Not only are they uncomfortable, they contribute to system delays due to the higher number of slots that they have to use to move the same number of people as larger aircraft. Without exception the crews have been fantastic and do a great job with limited resources, but they can only do so much. We were delayed again on my current trip due to maintenance. I’m actually shocked the 50 seaters have held up as well as they have. They have been through countless cycles. The reliability is going down, demand is increasing, and it’s just time to replace the bulk of those planes with newer and larger aircraft.
Those 200/145’s need to die, but from a financial standpoint, I’ve heard OO needs only 7 passengers to break even on those POS 200’s (13 rev pax. on the 175). 73’s need over 70% capacity to break even. With no replacement for 50’s and no relief of 70-76’s, it’s going to be prime real estate season for ULCC’s.
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07-09-2021 | 06:33 PM
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So what’s the plan with those slots then? Give them away to the competition? No way they can fill 73’s 4-5 times a day.
Those 200/145’s need to die, but from a financial standpoint, I’ve heard OO needs only 7 passengers to break even on those POS 200’s (13 rev pax. on the 175). 73’s need over 70% capacity to break even. With no replacement for 50’s and no relief of 70-76’s, it’s going to be prime real estate season for ULCC’s.
Those 200/145’s need to die, but from a financial standpoint, I’ve heard OO needs only 7 passengers to break even on those POS 200’s (13 rev pax. on the 175). 73’s need over 70% capacity to break even. With no replacement for 50’s and no relief of 70-76’s, it’s going to be prime real estate season for ULCC’s.
07-09-2021 | 07:44 PM
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Not to mention, now they have no edge with offering 4-5 time slots a day. ULCC’s have to be licking their chops.
07-09-2021 | 07:59 PM
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So what’s the plan with those slots then? Give them away to the competition? No way they can fill 73’s 4-5 times a day.
Those 200/145’s need to die, but from a financial standpoint, I’ve heard OO needs only 7 passengers to break even on those POS 200’s (13 rev pax. on the 175). 73’s need over 70% capacity to break even. With no replacement for 50’s and no relief of 70-76’s, it’s going to be prime real estate season for ULCC’s.
Those 200/145’s need to die, but from a financial standpoint, I’ve heard OO needs only 7 passengers to break even on those POS 200’s (13 rev pax. on the 175). 73’s need over 70% capacity to break even. With no replacement for 50’s and no relief of 70-76’s, it’s going to be prime real estate season for ULCC’s.
07-09-2021 | 09:23 PM
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07-09-2021 | 11:34 PM
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So what’s the plan with those slots then? Give them away to the competition? No way they can fill 73’s 4-5 times a day.
Those 200/145’s need to die, but from a financial standpoint, I’ve heard OO needs only 7 passengers to break even on those POS 200’s (13 rev pax. on the 175). 73’s need over 70% capacity to break even. With no replacement for 50’s and no relief of 70-76’s, it’s going to be prime real estate season for ULCC’s.
Those 200/145’s need to die, but from a financial standpoint, I’ve heard OO needs only 7 passengers to break even on those POS 200’s (13 rev pax. on the 175). 73’s need over 70% capacity to break even. With no replacement for 50’s and no relief of 70-76’s, it’s going to be prime real estate season for ULCC’s.
Many 50 seat destinations will be replaced by 70/76 seaters which in turn will be backfilled by A319 which will be backfilled by 737.
look at EWR as an example. The airport is runway constraint. The number of daily departures is not going to grow beyond what it is right now. So the only way to grow is to upgauge. That may mean that the ALB - EWR flight gets canned. Instead they add a new Flight to FLL for the same slot. And ALB gets a connection to IAD instead.
it’s all a big game of musical chairs.
07-10-2021 | 08:42 AM
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The airline needs to attract a certain amount of passengers at a certain price to reduce the subsidy per passenger ratio to keep the route viable.
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