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Old 03-14-2018, 11:10 AM   #1  
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Default Compass - in-house training or flight safety

Is compass in-house training or contracted to flight safety.

I also heard rumor is compass training is your on your own and all self study. For those in training Correct me if I am wrong. Intital first hire pass ratio doesnít look good
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Is compass in-house training or contracted to flight safety.

I also heard rumor is compass training is your on your own and all self study. For those in training Correct me if I am wrong. Intital first hire pass ratio doesnít look good
Compass is in-house training with line pilots and an assortment of retired Northwest guys. You're pretty much on your own for studying but you have all the materials at hand and I think that's why some are having trouble. Also I've heard theres an assortment of cfi, retired military, and rotar, guys so there might be a problem trying to mend the curriculum for such an assortment of experience. It's also an AQP program so if you need more training you'll receive it and too my knowledge on most events it won't be on your PRIA. So when you hear people are failing, it's probably a mix of people repeating training events as well as not passing a checkride event like an LOE. Try not to focus on that, it will worry you. Imagine you've already passed and train to the level you think an airline pilot should be.
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Old 03-14-2018, 11:37 AM   #3  
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Itís in house training. You go to orientation day then head home for two weeks to work on CBTís.

Then return for two weeks of 8-4:30 classroom. After that itís shorter days of Flight Procedure trainers (think touch screen computer based simulator). Followed by full motion sims.

You are taught a ton of info and expected to study after class everyday. No different than any other 121 training.
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The sims in STL are rented from FlightSafety, but it's all CP instructors doing the instruction and checking. Our instructor group used to be mostly seniority list active pilots, but many have gone back to the line to get their turbine PIC so they can leave.

CP's training program was designed for people with prior airline experience. The systems portion is basically self study via the CBTs, and systems class itself is review/ask questions. It has not changed much from what I've heard, so now with the typical new hire profile no longer being refugees from other regionals, there's naturally been an uptick in people needing more training. It helps to get instrument proficient (not just current) before starting, and if you have a good attitude and put in the work, you'll make it through.
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Like any airline, itís always self study. We provide you with the necessary tools to
Get through new hire but ultimately it is up to you and your sim partner to put in the time to go over flows and call outs.
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If there is any increase in the the failure rate it is purely related to the quality of the applicants currently available. Plenty of CFI types have made it through in the last 18 months.
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If there is any increase in the the failure rate it is purely related to the quality of the applicants currently available. Plenty of CFI types have made it through in the last 18 months.
I deff agree with you on this. For whatever reason we have had a big spike in re training and loe failures. Not sure if guys arenít taking it serious or maybe they think cpz will spoon feed them. Either way it has become an issue and now the current FOs on line are suffering. I watched my FO today get JR manned via ACARs. I feel bad for them so please, any new hire coming here, study your butt off and donít slack off! Take this serious and we will see
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CFI that went through training in 2015. No repeated lessons/failures. Found it to be pretty easy overall but I did put in the work. The first couple months on the line were much more challenging.
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Anyone know the training footprint from orientation to starting IOE?
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No because it changes so much.

The first month is pretty set. Orientation day 1. Then two weeks home doing CBTs. Then back for Monday through Friday for two weeks. Then it gets complicated with FPTís and Sims.

But that gives you an idea.
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