How do you know it’s per month and not per class? The black and white print does not indicate this. Is there other writing about this that is not out there?


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I fail to see a downside to this.

We are currently losing about 20 a month to attrition, out of a pilot population of maybe 675. That’s about three percent per month. That’s 36% per year. And the mandatory retirements at the majors haven’t even peaked yet.

Increase that by 2 pilots a month who wouldn’t have otherwise left and we are up to 3.3% per month or almost 40% per year.

Since even at the maximum legal rate of 1000 hours a year - blocking 83.3 hours a month - it will take you two full years to get the hours you need to upgrade and then the “magic” 1000 hrs of TPIC, and it’s going to take everyone some time to get through initial training, it doesn’t seem possible to do just a heck of a lot better - on the average - than that.

And I’m not saying just not likely, but not really possible.

And while yeah sure, not everyone leaving is necessarily going to their first choice of places to go, neither have they precisely wasted their time at Compass either. They’ve gotten in, gotten a type rating, gotten experience that improved their resume’ and left for someplace better, without spending six months on reserve not flying sitting in a crash pad someplace they didn’t want to be. And I reiterate; the mandatory retirements at the majors haven’t even peaked yet.

What more was anyone realistically expecting from a regional? Seriously?

If you want to actually spend a career at a regional, Republic and Skywest would probably be better bets. Compass is more of a get in and get experience and move on sort of place.

This. That's why I tell people thinking about Compass that while it's not the most stable regional, it's the best regional if you have to be on the west coast in one of their domiciles and are looking to move on. I had a class date at Skywest a few weeks before my Compass class date. In hindsight, I very obviously made the right call. Would have had to wait much longer to upgrade into LAX and had much worse seniority than I ever had. Heck, still to this day I would be years away from the CA plug on the 175 in LAX, while I was bidding 50% in the left seat when I left less than a year ago. (I would be able to hold the left seat in the CRJ at LAX, but still with much worse seniority)

The downside is if you are interested in Frontier, meet their requirements, but not senior enough to flow then you can't apply at Frontier and that sucks. If all they flow is two a month like TSA, you are likely to see more people hired there without the flow than with it. Frontier is hiring a lot right now. TSA had several guys with apps there who were contacted and told they could not be hired outside the flow now that it is in place. Apparently TSH put language in the contract that forbids it. If it was up to Frontier they would hire outside the flow as well, which lends credence to the view that this flow is more about controlling attrition to Frontier than anything else, particularly at TSA as we have a DEN base.

I must either not be paying attention or just don’t really care but TSA has a flow to Frontier as well?


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If they can't hire us outside the flow it will slow down movement at CP. I know of 2 people going there as it is, without flow, plus whoever I don't know of.

I disagree. Historically we have sent less than ten percent of our attrition to Frontier. Even just two a month IS 10% of our monthly attrition.

If this clears out either two or four of our most senior people who have otherwise been unable to get to a major each month it is a win for everybody beneath them which is MOST of us. Flowing 24-48 people a year WHO WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE NOT MOVED is a win for them and would increase everybody else’s chances of getting to the other majors in a more timely manner.

Anybody who seriously wanted to go to Frontier and NO PLACE ELSE. could do a short DEC tour at another regional, take the bonus and the new type-rating, and be heading for Frontier shortly after IOE.

This isn’t your father’s airline hiring environment.

Historically they had a horrible contract. Now that it changed people have been applying

That’s true. And it still isn’t great. Even the Frontier pilots acknowledge it is industry lagging but probably the best they could do. And as a new contract, they are probably going to be locked in to that industry lagging pay for 6-7 years, not that it’s not a lot better than regional pay I’ll grant you.


That’s true too, but it doesn’t change either the historical reality of where we have sent people or the fact that we are approaching a time of unprecedented mandatory retirements in the legacies.

Except for some small fraction of our pilots who WANTED FRONTIER EXCLUSIVELY or at least one of the bases Frontier serves, it is still a positive. For those few people, it’s a negative they can rapidly overcome.

this - make - every - sense !!!