Right... I’m pretty sure he would gladly give up the ability to drop in to the captains list with seven months seniority over the captains plug for the seven months of captains pay and the TPIC he would accumulate if he could upgrade earlier.;)

Take it from someone who bypassed 150fos when I upgraded only to have hiring and upgrade stop right after, being on rsv for 20 months sucked!!!! Enjoy being senior for now and hopefully upgrade and sit rsv for only a few short months! The ca check is nice however rsv sucks!


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No. The only time-based FAA requirement is 1000 hours of 121 SIC.

Back when 9E was upgrading new hires, they waved their 2500 TT and 1000 company time limits left and right. The only limitation that they couldn't wave was that 1000 hours 121 SIC, so it stood.

Yuuuuup. I'll give up seniority if it means CA pay and working on those 1000 TPIC hours to hopefully get a call. One can hope...

Having come from the Army (and I do appreciate my time there), reserve can't be that bad lol

Ninerdriver is right, compass has the 2500 rule, it's not the FAA. And Fpmx772, I'm right there with ya. I upgraded right before the freeze and got a nice year and half+ on reserve. Got a line during the crib pay summer of 2018 and was still on min days off still for a good bit. But... It was worth it and i'de do it again.

Hope these guys can get the upgrade sooner. Word to the wise, the upgrade training will not prepare you for what you will see as a captain on the line, it's just some sim events. Don't waste your time as an FO, learn the ropes, participate in the delays and return to gates etc.. Learn how to work with your FAs, DX, and MXC before you leave for training. If you can do that in 2000+ hrs rather than 2500+ then good for you.

Hmmm. Not sure. See Table 3.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...N_8900.225.pdf

It says 1000 sic, isn't that what we're saying? That notice has a cancellation date of 2014 btw

Yeah, but it says that’s in addition to 1500 hours. But you are right, it may have been superseded.

It's 1500 TT and 1000 SIC, but the two don't exclude each other.

1500 TT is required for an unrestricted ATP. FOs need at least 750 TT to hold an R-ATP, so the 1500 TT requirement doesn't really limit much anymore on the 121 side anymore.

The CBA mins (2500TT or 2000TT with 1500 ME) for upgrade will never be waived. Trust me, I tried, and emailed, back when we had to hire street captains. I emailed the union, chiefs, and crew planning with this idea and got two “no” and an “absolutely not” last fall