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Excargodog 08-17-2019 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by MrToomz (Post 2871750)
Just remember, everyone is only asking for a couple more weeks of patience... how many YEARS has it taken us to get this far? With potentially decades of flying left ahead for us?

A couple weeks isn't asking much in the long game. Eyes on the prize, folks!

Putting apps out IS playing the long game. They’ll take more than a few weeks to become any sort of firm commitment. Once you see the other cards on the table you can THEN decide if you want to bet or not.

Besides, putting out apps is good practice. Everybody ought to be doing it anyway, as soon as you meet minimums for a career destination you’d REALLY like to have.

week 08-17-2019 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by poorflyer (Post 2871724)
Can you at least say who you’re speaking to? Like is it worth a low time captain waiting rather than taking a LCC? Or is it more meant for new hires that are looking for a lateral move?

Funny you say this. I happen to be a low time CA, but I’m buying a bit more time to see what will happen here. I spent an eternity here as an FO so I could get some PIC time out of compass, that’s why I came here in the first place. So I’m not going to shut that door if I don’t have to. If I had 1000 PIC? I’d be leaving this place for any LCC without hesitation. I’m tired of the regional game and QOL

Also, depends on the LCC.

Slowhawk 08-19-2019 08:26 AM

I’ll throw a theory into the mix for fun

UA wants to consolidate regionals. Mesa contract is ending very soon. Their contract is 30 175s and 20CRJ700s.

UA has 20 firm 175 orders to replace the CRJ700s, which will either disappear or become 550s. The 30 E175’s go to Expressjet, the carrier that UA wants to grow, especially on the 175 side. Expressjet can’t staff that.

ExpressJet (or whatever shell company) acquires compass.


As for our AA stuff, I have no idea. 2023

s3cLyfe 08-19-2019 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by Slowhawk (Post 2872702)
I’ll throw a theory into the mix for fun

UA wants to consolidate regionals. Mesa contract is ending very soon. Their contract is 30 175s and 20CRJ700s.

UA has 20 firm 175 orders to replace the CRJ700s, which will either disappear or become 550s. The 30 E175’s go to Expressjet, the carrier that UA wants to grow, especially on the 175 side. Expressjet can’t staff that.

ExpressJet (or whatever shell company) acquires compass.


As for our AA stuff, I have no idea. 2023

Most likely this with a twist. Bought but not merged with XJT. And if bought, the AA contact ends early...which could force the merger now that I say it out loud. Otherwise a UAX cpa with dal/ua tail swap, but still down 10 planes as a whole.

Excargodog 08-19-2019 08:58 AM

UA still has that provision in their FA contract giving any wholly owned regional FAs mainline wages so it’ll still have to go through their shell company, Mana, if any of those things were ever to happen. That’s why UAL doesn’t have any wholly owneds.

Oh, and Mesa operates 60 175s for UA, not 30.

s3cLyfe 08-19-2019 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2872723)
UA still has that provision in their FA contract giving any wholly owned regional FAs mainline wages so it’ll still have to go through their shell company, Mana, if any of those things were ever to happen. That’s why UAL doesn’t have any wholly owneds.

Oh, and Mesa operates 60 175s for UA, not 30.

From TSH to Mana Air. All I know is that if Mesa bought us I’d quit.

Slowhawk 08-19-2019 09:38 AM

This place is great but if we furlough/downgrade at all, or end up with reserves flying 8 hours a month and frozen hiring/upgrades (cough cough 2017), I’m gone too. :(

Alternative, happier theory:
We are getting 30 UA jets at 4 a month starting October, new bases, and stay Compass. UA just doesn’t want CPZ to let the cat out of the bag yet and cause panic at the regional that’s losing jets

Excargodog 08-19-2019 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by s3cLyfe (Post 2872747)
From TSH to Mana Air. All I know is that if Mesa bought us I’d quit.

Right now I don’t think Mesa has enough money to buy anything.

See attached Mesa stock graph:

Excargodog 08-19-2019 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by Slowhawk (Post 2872749)
This place is great but if we furlough/downgrade at all, or end up with reserves flying 8 hours a month and frozen hiring/upgrades (cough cough 2017), I’m gone too. :(

We were losing 20 a month to attrition BEFORE this happened and have lots of guys who could have gone but we’re building time toward their dream job. Unless there really is a great new opportunity, that loss will accelerate. Regionals out there are offering DEC jobs to anyone with 950 hours and near-DEC jobs to people with substantially less than that. With impressive bonuses.

Heck, anyone with a consolidated type rating is a hot commodity right now, and will have no problem getting a job (and a signing bonus and a second bonus for being type rated) a half dozen other places.

If management doesn’t come through with that “opportunity”, I can picture the workforce evaporating from here so fast they’ll struggle to complete Delta flying. I can’t imagine furloughs being an issue.

achfly 08-19-2019 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Slowhawk (Post 2872702)
I’ll throw a theory into the mix for fun

UA wants to consolidate regionals. Mesa contract is ending very soon. Their contract is 30 175s and 20CRJ700s.

UA has 20 firm 175 orders to replace the CRJ700s, which will either disappear or become 550s. The 30 E175’s go to Expressjet, the carrier that UA wants to grow, especially on the 175 side. Expressjet can’t staff that.

ExpressJet (or whatever shell company) acquires compass.


As for our AA stuff, I have no idea. 2023

I've been spreading this theory since the announcement! So if you came to this on your own without hearing about it inside compass I'm going to count you as a second witness to this possibility. Only difference is that I don't think there will be any buying or merging. I think it will be a 2 year contract with 20-30 planes until exj can get rolling and then they go back to them.... Since UA owns an 80%stake in exj.


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