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StallWeezy 09-16-2019 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 2888002)
I'de always rather wait for a gate than play games 'timing' it in the air. IMO it's better customer service, because everyone can use their cell phones and the lav while we wait.. plus it gives us the first opportunity to taxi to the gate or 'changed' gate if something becomes available. Plus then I can chill instead of watching our fuel and weather etc... Chilling is important to me, you can call it a core value

This is the intelligent answer.

BobbyLeeSwagger 09-16-2019 08:44 AM

Again, I fly planned speeds more or less, and I don't often wait for a gate. When I do, it's not long and we usually get in early which is good for everyone. When we wait a long time, it's usually because of some other reason (mx delay, rolling delays jacking up gate timing). ATC can handle it, there's plenty of room on the west side if we cant hold behind H & I..

We are not suppose to arrive early in lax as in don't block out earlier than allowed. If I block out on time, fly planned speeds, then there is no problem with arriving early, think of the circus people are greeted to when we arrive at the box... Buses, confusing signage, unclear baggage claim info, etc.. If I can get them on their way 15-20 minutes sooner, especially for the international pax, many who have limited English skills, it's a win for them. If I have a mx write up in lax, the extra time is helpful.. AA cafeteria burrito run, so many reasons to get that extra time. I've never or rarely had to wait for a gate at a non-hub outstation.

I'll raise the ante even more.. I also like to board early when there is opportunity. Gives us more time in case there is an issue.. No one has to rush, and we can block out 5-10 min early ;)

StallWeezy 09-16-2019 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 2888194)
Again, I fly planned speeds more or less, and I don't often wait for a gate. When I do, it's not long and we usually get in early which is good for everyone. When we wait a long time, it's usually because of some other reason (mx delay, rolling delays jacking up gate timing). ATC can handle it, there's plenty of room on the west side of we cant hold behind H & I..

We are not suppose to arrive early in lax as in don't block out earlier than allowed. If I block out on time, fly planned speeds, then there is no problem with arriving early, think of the circus people are greeted to when we arrive at the box... Buses, confusing signage, unclear baggage claim info, etc.. If I can get them on their way 15-20 minutes sooner, especially for the international pax, many who have limited English skills, it's a win for them. If I have a mx write up in lax, the extra time is helpful.. AA cafeteria burrito run, so many reasons to get that extra time. I've never or rarely had to wait for a gate at a non-hub outstation.

I'll raise the ante even more.. I also like to board early when there is opportunity. Gives us more time in case there is an issue.. No one has to rush, and we can block out 5-10 min early ;)

Man, at least two of us at CP think this way. Also, I’d add that getting out early and flying normal speeds usually gets you short cuts cuz you could be leading the pack. Time is a huge part of customer service if you ask me. We’re already flying at slower speeds in 2019 than we did decades ago. Fuel? US Airways had us landing in the amber every single flight. Fuel simply is not an issue at CP.

FlytheSky 09-16-2019 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 2888194)
Again, I fly planned speeds more or less, and I don't often wait for a gate. When I do, it's not long and we usually get in early which is good for everyone. When we wait a long time, it's usually because of some other reason (mx delay, rolling delays jacking up gate timing). ATC can handle it, there's plenty of room on the west side if we cant hold behind H & I..

We are not suppose to arrive early in lax as in don't block out earlier than allowed. If I block out on time, fly planned speeds, then there is no problem with arriving early, think of the circus people are greeted to when we arrive at the box... Buses, confusing signage, unclear baggage claim info, etc.. If I can get them on their way 15-20 minutes sooner, especially for the international pax, many who have limited English skills, it's a win for them. If I have a mx write up in lax, the extra time is helpful.. AA cafeteria burrito run, so many reasons to get that extra time. I've never or rarely had to wait for a gate at a non-hub outstation.

I'll raise the ante even more.. I also like to board early when there is opportunity. Gives us more time in case there is an issue.. No one has to rush, and we can block out 5-10 min early ;)

My favorite victory/penalty lap at CPZ was FAT. That FAT-LAX flight always had a ton of padding in it. Plus you could ask for your own wheels up time at that tower. Since it seems that ATC doesn't ever give you earlier than asked wheels up times by a minute or two, I would always ask for a wheels up at D-0 since I knew the ground personnel were quick. Usually you'd end up with a wheels up time of D+5-8 which would work perfectly for a quick taxi. I did have one time where ATC said "your wheels up is D-0" (as I requested). Told the station to hustle and they did! I always was at the gate 30 early on those flights.

Speaking of being early, I had a streak where for the last 6 weeks as a FO before I upgraded, the latest I blocked in on go home leg was 7 minutes EARLY. Yes, early. And yes, this was when Delta was on the south side and it was a combination of 50/50 Delta/American trips. All that promptly disappeared when I upgraded to the left seat though. :D

Bike Handles 09-16-2019 12:20 PM

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Mandrake 09-16-2019 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by Bike Handles (Post 2888299)

I sure hope we have no future with that Airline.

jungle driver 09-16-2019 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by Bike Handles (Post 2888299)

I hope it was just a nice day in MSP today and someone was stuck in a cubical wishing they were outside.

NeverFlexTO 09-16-2019 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 2887920)
Never heard of this and count me skeptical.. 3-4 yrs ago we waited for gates 30-45 minutes on average it seemed and were late all the time... You remember. Are they still tracking it now that we've lost the flying? :rolleyes:The only carpet dancing I'll be doing will be in October when the Oakland As win the world series.. That's right, I said it.

Yes I remember...we aren’t talking taxi time, we are talking OFF to ON, sorry for not specifying. I’ve seen the list, and I know someone who was Section 19’ed for it...doesn’t work here anymore, not sure if that’s why as I know there were other reasons. He was far beyond what the threshold was that DL set...believe what you want. It went into effect after AA came out with there HFR “Historical Fuel Reference Program” and they (CPZ FltOps management) tried to convince Delta about going to it right before the Terminal 5 move...I’ve always been a proponent of flying a cost index, box is setup for it...it’s what pretty much everyone else does. Couldn’t tell you if the list is still happening and I couldn’t tell you if DL looks at it when it comes to pilot hiring, I’d be shocked if they did, but they own the jets, so anything is fair game...there’s stuff the ACARs records behind the scenes no one knows it’s recording, and it’s all stuff DL put in there because they own the jets

Cheers 09-19-2019 07:23 AM

Overheard instructors whispering to one another saying that Management just asked the training department to estimate how many pilots per month they could get through the school house.

Almost Friday!

StudentsScareMe 09-19-2019 07:58 AM

Which airline did those instructors work for?


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