Fr8Thrust

The mins are:
2500 TT & 1000 121/jet/commuter
or
2000T and 1500 multi.

If you think the mins are too high, that’s because you decided to join a regional <1500 hours. Nobody owes you any favors just because you took a shortcut to the right seat. That’s the bed you laid yourself in.

I personally wouldn’t want an E170 PIC with less time than that. You learn a lot in 500 hours (<3000TT) that you can’t obtain via CA UPG. To think you’re not learning is a poor attitude to have.

MainlineorSuici

I’d say it’s more that I’m eager than entitled. I worked hard (Even got my instrument rating twice ) to get a RATP and into the 121 world so young (is that RATP thing a ‘special exemption’ or a smart career choice?). I chose to go to compass because at the time it had the fastest movement and according to the CPZ recruiters, I’d upgrade at 1000 SIC.

I’m not demanding an upgrade because I believe I’m entitled to it, but I certainly would like to hope that there may be a way to make it happen sooner. Heck, getting on at a major 2 months sooner could be $100K in my pocket when I’m 65. Why wouldn’t I be interested in doing/learning everything I can to expedite advancement? I know a guy that’s 24 years old flying widebodies at UA. I won’t achieve that, but is it wrong to be eager to achieve similar success and hold myself to a similar standard? This is a competitive industry.

Let me draw a similar scenario. Let’s say I was stuck in the hiring freeze on reserve at compass. Say I was here presenting a logical argument that because we are overstaffed, more of us reserve guys should be awarded LCR, so us commuters can be at home more. Am I entitled for hoping the company would look into awarding more LCR, even though you may have had to rough it on RAP1 a year before I was here?

The “The people before you had it worse so it shouldn’t change/you haven’t earned it” attitude is holding this industry back. I’m sure when you were upgrading at compass at 2500TT, there was some 2009 DOH Expressjet FO that was cursing your name for upgrading so quick. Those guys started at $25 an hour, so is it unfair that I started at $35? Am I entitled for thinking no airline pilot should be paid less than $45?
I understand that people have worked much harder than me and paid many more dues than me, and I respect that experience and sacrifice, but that’s no reason for me to limit myself in an industry that’s rapidly changing.

Back to the subject, though, looks like I was mistaken and those two NHs were special circumstances so I really should ‘chill out a bit’ like you said.

BUT, the real point of my post was to say... isn’t it smarter to upgrade the guys that have been flying CPZ for 2.5 years, rather than start letting SkyWest FO’s from ORD walk into our left seat, hurting our own pilot group? Just doesn’t seem like a thing the union pilot would prefer. I’d rather see our own guys upgrading, even if I wasn’t one of them. I wouldn’t have even made this thread if I didn’t think we were on a fast track to street captains But, I guess it’s more fun to make this about me and how entitled I am to want such a thing for my greedy self

week

We call those things ‘girls’

Have you read the CBA? It states “The Company will meet and confer with the MEC Chairman
before waiving any of the above upgrade requirements. If waived, such requirements shall be waived in Seniority
order.”

Nothing needs to be changed. Also, did I read the same post? At what point did this guy say the company owes him anything?

Fr8Thrust

Maybe this will help: Just because someone else had to walk to school in the snow, uphill, both ways, while you took a bus, doesn’t change the fact that you both need a HS diploma to get a job.

I for one would like to know the “special circumstances” surrounding those upgrade awards.

Sure, bypassing is wrong, but lowering the crew experience level is more wrong.

MainlineorSuici

Ah, yes, if only I had towed banners for 500 more hours before coming to CPZ. Then accepting an upgrade at 1000 SIC would be much safer Remember, those extra 500 hours can come from anywhere. Wasn’t expecting people to become so emotional over this, that was not my intention.

Taco280AI

I could buy into part of your argument until you started on about getting to a major sooner and getting another $100k, plus knowing some 24 year old flying widebodies at United. Comes off as your reasons really aren't about experience, safety and street captains... you just want to move up faster and get more $$$. That's where I see the entitlement issue.

And I have my restricted as well and will need 1500 at the company before I can move up. But my experience isn't from going to some school, it's from the military and flying air assault missions in combat environments in a 22,000 pound ME, turbine helicopter.

Put in your time, pay your dues, keep a good attitude and you'll move up. Anything else is unwanted attention.

BobbyLeeSwagger

True, true. Dieting sucks, its way more fun to be fat. I miss turning the airplane on in the morning, cracking open a pack of swedish fish and telling my skinny FO: "you know what the difference is between me and you? ... I made this look good."

Hard to say that opening a bag of lettuce.

ColoradoAviator

A buddy is looking at Compass after military life. He should have 3500 total time, 2500 heavy turbine, and 1200 turbine PIC by the time he makes the switch. Does Compass require 1000 hours with the company before upgrade with those quals?

jungle driver

you need 1000 hours of 121 or 135 before you can upgrade. but that will be the same no matter where he goes.

Beechnutz

Let me get this straight it’s either not both?

I’ve got 2500tt and 1800 Multi with only 550 Jet time. So can I put in for the next vacancy?