Losing Delta Flying
 

Did anyone else see the video of Ed Bastian basically confirming Compass and GoJet will no longer be flying for Delta. I saw it posted to a FB group today, via youtube.

https://youtu.be/4s8x65QfE0c

You are late to the party. Follow along in the other thread.

I was talking to a high level Delta Corporate guy yesterday and asked about the 3 regional plan.

He said that the last deal with Compass was just a 2 year deal that they did because Skywest could not handle all the flying that they wanted to give to Skywest at the time. I guess Skywest was already getting a bunch of 175s for them at the time and could not add pilots fast enough to take on more flying.

He said that Skywest moved a bunch of planes east and they gave Compass the west coast flying that Compass has there now. But, when that 2 year contract ends he said that Skywest will be moving back west. I wanted to ask if Skywest was moving the east coast stuff back west or adding new west coast flying, but he was on a roll and I didn't want to slow him down. I'm guessing he meant new west coast flying and he didn't phrase it correctly. Anyone have info on this? He talked faster than I could keep up.

He mentioned that Delta is very concerned with working with TSH because of lawsuits by employees against them for terminating employees taking FMLA and firing protected Guard or Reservists. "The last thing we need is to hear about how are regionals are taking health insurance away from people with cancer to save money or reservists who are fighting for the country." I thought that was interesting. He mentioned the Dr being dragged off of Republic on a United flight was very bad for United.

So is all the Compass flying going to go to American? Maybe United would like those 170s flying for them? Any chance of flying for Alaska? They won't close will they?

That’s not... the last deal with Delta was not a 2 year deal. I’ll just leave it at that.

Delta CEO said in an invested meeting last month they are done with both gojet and compass. They are consolidating their regionals to endeavor, Skywest and republic. American has been bringing all their flying back in house to their wo’s United already has to rid itself of 25 crj’s for scope so doubt they will be adding compass flying. Don’t see Alaska adding a regional under them

I don’t think that the working relationship is very good between Delta and TSH.

I don't think TSH management has a good relationship with anybody right now. I think its probable the Delta Compass airplanes still end up at Republic, the Delta Gojet planes at Endeavor, the United Gojet planes get parked, and the TSA 145s end up at as part of the new UAL joint venture. Hopefully with the pilots but we'll see....

That’s what my crystal ball says with American taking their flying from compass as well

Dead link btw

Im sure they took it down because its not public yet... SEC could have a issue with people buying selling stock based off of that videos info...(thats only Republic. Becythe other two are private companies).

Guess what im saying is they could have announced a extension to the Compass contract and snuffed out what he said.. but they didn’t (September it’s up) either way will know soon..

You guys are such bummers. What will constantly posting this stuff change?

Well, the only good thing about pessimists is that that all their surprises are pleasant ones.

Guys, it is what it is. People bid for contracts. Sometimes they get them, sometimes they don’t. When the contract is coming to the end of its term, sometimes it’s renewed and sometimes it isn’t.

Whatever the result, it isn’t going to be the end of the world for anyone. Rarely in the past two decades have the opportunities for airline pilots been this good. And given age-related retirements at the majors, they are only going to get better.

Management has far more to lose than the pilots do if these contracts aren’t renewed or replaced. You have to believe they are aggressively working the issue.

It's not up in September LOL. :D much much much later than that. Love all these people posting here like they know something, and then giving away little nuggets of info showing they have no clue what's happening.

Do they even work for Compass or just posting doom and gloom from other airlines?

Have you seen the video? Or is this heresay, because that’s not at all what he said, he eluded to things but didn’t come out and say these are done deals...also things change on a daily basis in the regional industry. Flew RJs for 11 years, saw it all, just when you think you know, things change with the snap of a finger. I watched a company hire 250 pilots for 25 airplanes and after airplane #10 showed the other 15 went somewhere else...deals will be struck if it makes economical and business sense, not what you, me or any other pilot thinks what will happen...we are all pawns

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Don't stress guys you probably wouldn't miss a paycheck. Honestly it would benefit a lot of guys in this hiring environment. Major carriers would snatch up any clean ALPA pilot on the street very quickly.

Now memes, I can get behind that.

Actually he didn’t say that all. Just named the 3 regionals that he would like to see doing the Delta flying. Could this be in 6 months? Sure. Could this be in 6 years? Sure.

You’re just as bad as the people you’re speaking of. If you know when the CPA term ends why not just say it? Instead you have to play these little games. Wtf is wrong with you?

OMG! OO pilots are so cuuuuuute

It's up sometime in 2020.

Actually there wasn't any ambiguity about it, and he said small operations like Gojet (the question was in reference to Gojet) would be gone in 12 to 24 months, which gets you to either 2019 or 2020.

Now things always are subject to change, but it was a pretty definite statement and was supposed to be "among friends" and stay in the room.

I've seen the video. Bastian said with clarity that going forward their regional partners would be Republic, Endeavor, and Skywest. He also said that small operations like Gojet would be gone in 12-24 months. That is why the managements at TSH and Delta weren't happy it was released and it was taken down. What he said was clearly "among friends" and off the record. Bastian never thought the comments would see the light of day. Kind of stupid in the age of cell phones, but CEOs and politicians make mistakes like that all the time.

If you have been around as long as you say you have, then you know these CPAs are written with plenty of ways for mainline carriers to dump the regional carrier for lack of performance or other reasons if they feel the need to terminate early and get rid of them. With the IOCC cluster and other issues I guarantee Delta and United have all the ammunition they need to cancel these contracts if they desire. The biggest impediment to moving the planes is the lack of pilots, otherwise I think this would already be happening.

Now its the airlines, hold your breath and things can change. But if you work for any of the TSH carriers and don't realize some big changes are likely headed our way, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you cheap. What is likely is the airlines are sold and Hulas heads back to Boca with a big check and we are all better off for it in the end. But there is always the danger TSH management could screw this up and have the planes taken away, which wouldn't be good for any of us. Gojet is likely up first, and if they lose the 25 UAL 700s that will tell you where we are all going. What affects one TSH carrier could affect us all.

You got us. All 4,800 of us are in the board room making the decision.

As if we sit here wanting to f*ck over another pilot group. We can't staff our current contracts without tanking everyone's QOL, let alone some other airlines contracts.

Calm down, it was a joke that some skyw pilots seemingly get giddy when their company takes planes from other carriers.

Absolutely, which affects EVERYBODY who is flying codeshares, not just the regional airlines with the misfortune to currently be owned by TSH.


Again correct. Ask the Delta guys who lost their pensions during the Delta bankruptcy. It's a cyclical industry. The highs can be damn high and a year later you may be furloughed and looking for a way to feed your family until the next upturn.

If this is the career you have chosen the sooner you either realize that and accept that or decide to go do something else, the happier you will be.

But now having conceded that, the times are currently good, and the prospects for a professional pilot has rarely been better than in the current marketplace. Nobody is ever completely in charge of their destiny but right now, right here, doesn't seem like a bad place to be.

When is Compass’ agreement with American set to expire?

Yes I saw it and it was very clear that he said they were consolidating to those three. Others on here came away with same understanding....

That’s been beat with a dead horse in the main compass thread so do a little research before posting...but realistically 2024 after the 2 two year automatic contract renewals...

Really? I know several Comair pilots that ended up as part 135 dispatchers and pilots. SkyWest pilots get hired at SWA, UA, DL, AA and any other major/legacy as much as any other carrier. Any OO has never furloughed.

Not trying to fan the flames, but don’t rule out SKW in picking up flying from, or consolidating/acquiring with some of the aforementioned regionals.

While this is true, I don't know if I would bank on that in the future. There's no way OO could justify hanging onto almost 5,000 pilots if the last 15 years happened all over again.

Yeah, I'd think they learned their lesson with ExpressJet.

Only airplanes SkyWest has "taken" from other companies has been 700s from XJT/ASA (SkyWest owns those planes by the way). All the 175 flying is done with brand new planes from the factory.

601XJ 602XJ plus a few other 200’s from Mesaba. Skywest isn’t as perfect as you’d like to portray. And they’re party to the regional whipsaw game

Furthest thing from perfect. They should learn how to hire and use reserves instead of extended people up the wazoo and then wondering why people call fatigued.

More flying is cool if we could actually staff it. I guess Joseph Smith told management that they don't need staffing because American Jesus told him so.

Did you actually take a meme seriously? :rolleyes:

I was with 2 major ALPA airlines and received the ¨preferential jobs at major ALPA carriers¨ twice. The only airline that did that was United and it was not a job but only an interview. Delta, Alaska, American, etc give no preference in any way. I do not know a single person who even got a Delta interview after one of the shutdowns.

The preferential interview is not much of an interview. They only hired 14% of those interviewed the first airline, and less with the second. Those they hired all seemed to be in the minority categories they needed at the time, Blacks, Hispanics, Asian, and pilots with lots of grey hair (to counter their prior age discrimination lawsuit they lost). I don´t think there is any preferential jobs that you can count on. The odds were much better off the street.

Maybe you didn’t get it because you’re a racist. Just a thought. You were probably *****ing about it to one of their recruiters on accident.